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Old 07-12-2007, 10:02 AM   #21
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"No, "we" have a bad image in the media because that's they way the media wants it. They propogate stereotypes to sell newspapers."

No "We" have a bad image, because of shyte that this thread was about...because of morons killing themselves on the freeways and roads trying to do Mach 1.
In many of these 'accidents' we don't see the 'charges' we want, because to be blunt...the rider was also doing something wrong, Ie: Speeding and because we are a minority.
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In the eyes of the media, biker will always lose to car driver.

Example; a biker does wheelie on the street, a driver pulled out attempt to make a left turn without looking to see the on coming traffic causing the biker to crashed and died. Who's at fault?
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"We don't know anything about 'Impeding the flow of traffic'. You can't rely on a video that Fox news claims was the bikers in question. "

Your words, right Den?


"Video released by the North Texas Tollway Authority shows that just before the incident on June 10, the bikers were riding in a large group, doing wheelies and blocking all three southbound lanes. "
^Quote from the news site...

"The guy in the Jag wasn't startled or suprised by the bikes. Another post claims that at one point he was tailgating and almost hit the back tire of one bike. "
Precisely how the frag do you KNOW this? Forget 'another post', give a link to a witness account...and where in the sequence of events this 'tailgating' happened.

Mind providing some links to these sources then? I've crawled through several and the only 'witness' commentary 1/2 around seems to be 'Tom', which provides none of the other needed information.

" Tell me how you 'go around' if the bikes are blocking all the lanes. There's no shoulder on the DNT. He accidentally hits a bike and think 'oh I better take off'. "

READ and don't project Den... We have no REAL information on the sequence of events.

"Sorry, but when in doubt I'm gonna take sides with the bikers. I commute everyday and I see more people in cars doing stupid than bikers. At least once a week someone intentionally tries to block me, cut me off, or race me so fck 'em."

Give it a rest...I want to know the whole darn story in the proper sequence of events. Not pick some 'side' like a stupid grade school match off.
The video shows some bikes on the tollway. No date, no positive id of the bikes, just bikes. You seem to want PROOF but you're pushing this video which doesn't proove squat.

Search DallasRiders and you'll see where they claim he was tailgating. That forum is the only source for the 'other' side of the story. If you'd rather believe the Jag driver because he made it on TV then fine.

The Jag driver said that the bikes were 'blocking traffic' and he was 'trying to go around'. Those are HIS words.

And last, you guys can keep preaching your righteous bullsh1t but I'm still siding with the bikers. Everyone on the road (car or bike) breaks traffic laws so I don't want to hear this 'impeding traffic' . If you want the 'real sequence of events' then you should probably stop posting your opinions on the subject and wait for the court transcripts.
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This is why i dont carry my gun when i ride because I would have to shoot at least 3 or 4 people a day in this city if this were the case


who know what happened all i know is my brother lives in dallas and said it was a normal group of guys that ride the toll on a normal basis and he said when he rides with them they are usually flying at least 90 plus ( got to get through the booths) So in my opinion and his as well i dont see how the Jag could accidentallly hit a bike like it was said earlier he was bein a swerving honking his horn (cause you know people that drive Jags are more important than anyone else) and weved and slammed a bike

in the end who knows they are all guilty of somthing everyone one of them let Dallas deal with it maybe everyone will get in trouble and justice will be served or maybe only this one guy GETS F*cked
90% of cagers here in Dallas are crazy drivers compared to Houstonian. If you put a blinker on, you'll will never passed, guaranteed. If two lanes are merging, it's "playing chicken." If you drive and leave a good braking distance, people will cut in.
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The video shows some bikes on the tollway. No date, no positive id of the bikes, just bikes. You seem to want PROOF but you're pushing this video which doesn't proove squat.
""Video released by the North Texas Tollway Authority shows that just before the incident on June 10, the bikers were riding in a large group, doing wheelies and blocking all three southbound lanes. ""

HELLO... 'Video released by the North Texas Tollway Authority....just before the incident'.
Let's talk odds...of a DIFFERENT 'pack' of riders in the same general time frame that were stunting in a 'calm and organised manner' and NOT impeding traffic?

"Search DallasRiders and you'll see where they claim he was tailgating. That forum is the only source for the 'other' side of the story. If you'd rather believe the Jag driver because he made it on TV then fine.
The Jag driver said that the bikes were 'blocking traffic' and he was 'trying to go around'. Those are HIS words. "

I've gone through it repeatedly, seen a WHOLE lot of off the wall conjecture and stupidity and REAL good examples of pathetic reading comprehension, spelling and grammar to.

Then what I've done is try to see the various possibilites of how things could have happend based on the information provided by 'both' sides.
and I guess as long as we get/have to see your nuerotic bs then I/we will continue with our 'rightous bull' you can go on gut reaction and we can try to examine and consider the possibilities.
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bikers started it, car ended.......lol at bikers.

sorry i commute too , and i really don't have prob. w/ cars. but if i was in my cage and a pack of bikers was blocking the road, i'd have a prob. w/ them. and prolly go around them, space or no space.
yeah, that's some real nice logic you have there....

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so the bikers have a right to impede me going somewhereon purpose?\

please justify them blocking all the lanes.
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i would have a major problem with this as well.
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so the bikers have a right to impede me going somewhereon purpose?\

please justify them blocking all the lanes.
I won't justify that, but I won't justify forcing your way through them either. They were both in the wrong here, but as every moron knows, 2 wrongs don't make a right, (in the eyes of the law) so taking the law into your own hands in this situation is just asking for trouble and you know it. How does impeding the flow of traffic warrant you forcing your way through them and endangering lives even more. You are just as much of the problem as they are.
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90% of cagers here in Dallas are crazy drivers compared to Houstonian. If you put a blinker on, you'll will never passed, guaranteed. If two lanes are merging, it's "playing chicken." If you drive and leave a good braking distance, people will cut in.
LOL you dont have to tell me Im from TYLER you aint seen stupid drivers till you go there LOL I used to work in dallas and road and drove there alot shyt is CRAZY!!!!!
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what both parties need to practice is common courtesy.

what the guy that shot at the car needs to learn is responsible firearms practice. idiots like him are going to make anti-gun activists feel like they have the leverage to take away my rights.
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How does impeding the flow of traffic warrant you forcing your way through them and endangering lives even more. You are just as much of the problem as they are.
their time is no more important them my time, so by them slowing me down, they are enforcing their time on me.

didn't say it was right, but i'd have no prob. getting by them. they're only going 30-40mph. on a frwy.

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next time you watch COPS ....see what happens to a person that tags a cop car in a chase or drive by them .... its assault ...... but yet its ok in your thinking that car TRYS to run you over.... And i'm not talking about the everyday traffic i didn't see the bike stuff of runnin over (traffic merge)..... but full blown road rage i'm gonna run that biker over type
who said anything about hitting them, appearantly the jag dude can't drive cuz he hit one of them.

going by them is evading, not assault. hitting them or pointing your car at them is assault.

now what happens when somebody is going around them and a biker decides to "block" them, who's fault is it?
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ALRIGHT! HOLD IT FOLX...

before this starts getting derailed and out of hand.

Want to discuss Racer's X and what he says wold be his actions, take it to PM's. Not really something appropiate for the forum.
This thread, discuss what we 'know' in regards to the dallas/jag incident...and the 'arrest' of the moron with the gun.
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""Video released by the North Texas Tollway Authority shows that just before the incident on June 10, the bikers were riding in a large group, doing wheelies and blocking all three southbound lanes. ""

HELLO... 'Video released by the North Texas Tollway Authority....just before the incident'.
Let's talk odds...of a DIFFERENT 'pack' of riders in the same general time frame that were stunting in a 'calm and organised manner' and NOT impeding traffic?


"Search DallasRiders and you'll see where they claim he was tailgating. That forum is the only source for the 'other' side of the story. If you'd rather believe the Jag driver because he made it on TV then fine.
The Jag driver said that the bikes were 'blocking traffic' and he was 'trying to go around'. Those are HIS words. "

I've gone through it repeatedly, seen a WHOLE lot of off the wall conjecture and stupidity and REAL good examples of pathetic reading comprehension, spelling and grammar to.

Then what I've done is try to see the various possibilites of how things could have happend based on the information provided by 'both' sides.
and I guess as long as we get/have to see your nuerotic bs then I/we will continue with our 'rightous bull' you can go on gut reaction and we can try to examine and consider the possibilities.
The video is still not proof of anything. Could've been shot anytime.

I read the thread once and didn't miss the part about the tailgating. You're specualting about the incident as much as I am yet you're right and I'm wrong?

Nuerotic huh? You want to start name calling just because you can't win a simple debate? I think you need to go out and ride more. And when some idiot in a car runs you over you're gonna wish that someone like me was there to back you up. Or maybe I could just stand over you and tell you how it was your fault.
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so the bikers have a right to impede me going somewhereon purpose?\

please justify them blocking all the lanes.
Take laws into your own hands and you will be dealt with the same, like the driver of the Jaq. Two wrongs doesn't make it right.
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what both parties need to practice is common courtesy.

what the guy that shot at the car needs to learn is responsible firearms practice. idiots like him are going to make anti-gun activists feel like they have the leverage to take away my rights.
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Take laws into your own hands and you will be dealt with the same, like the driver of the Jaq. Two wrongs doesn't make it right.

yup, and if a cop were there, i'd pull right on over. who's side do you think a cop would take, a driver or a pack of riders blocking the frwy. remember he saw you passing the pack.

common courtesy would be nice, but the sit. unfolded as it did.
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