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Old 10-31-2015, 03:43 PM   #1
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It's been a while since I posted anything, but I figured you all would be the ones to ask.
I've talked to several people in the past week who ride and don't have the M on their driver's license. Excuses were "I don't need one...never been stopped," "I didn't know you had to have one," and "I don't have time to get one."
If you don't have the M on your license, and you're riding a bike, what's your excuse? Not judging....just curious.
BTW, I've been riding 36 years and have been licensed in in each of the three states I've lived in since my first time on two wheels. (IN, NM, TX)

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I have one and don't even ride street
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I've got one and never took the MSF course
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I've got one and never took the MSF course
Do you realize you will crash in a fiery ball of Honda if you don't take the msf course asap?
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I've got one and never took the MSF course
Tisk tisk Racer X is not going to like this!


I have a MC ensorsement but Im curious to know if insurance will pay out if u dont have it. Can u even get insurance with out it?

My guess for thier reason would be laziness and being irresponsible.....
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Tisk tisk Racer X is not going to like this!


I have a MC ensorsement but Im curious to know if insurance will pay out if u dont have it. Can u even get insurance with out it?

My guess for thier reason would be laziness and being irresponsible.....
I wouldn't mind taking the advanced course if they had one that was convenient

Might be fun
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The reason most older people (50ish +) don't have their M is because 20+ years ago, it was hard to get your class m. Well, not hard, it was just complicated, so most would get their permit at best and call lot good. Those that did get their "m" endorsement it would require the effort of 2 people, a car and a bike.

First, you had to take a written test to get your "permit", then once you practiced riding with someone who did have a "m" endorsement, you had to go back with your bike being ridden by that someone with a "m" endorsement (because you didn't have a license yet) while you followed in a car. Once at the dps, the officer would instruct you and your buddy What the signals would be (like one honk means turn left, two honks means turn right, stuff like that) and you would now ride the bike while your buddy drove the car with the officer in It giving you signals and the officer graded you.

Before the msf, there were no courses for any of this, so it was easy to fail for dumb things like putting the wrong foot down. Not to mention, the bike and the car had to pass inspections by the officer and your buddy had to be clean too, before you even started the test.

Sooooooo most people either never got their license or just have a permit and would always ride with someone with a "m". You know, they are practicing and stuff. Even when the msf came out, for one, it was hard to find a class and two, "rebbles don't go to school to learn to ride" the attitude has changed now.

Now a days there is no reason to not have it. With the msf course easy to find and take, it's just too easy. , my license says "AM" and the class A is 10x harder and longer to get than a M.
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I'm not picking on you, but mostly the statement in general, because I hear this a lot.

It kills me that people take the basic course And they never take another course to sharpen their skills. We fall into some very bad habbits over time and an advanced course can work wonders in getting you back in tune with doing things the right way. I'm just as guilty, though. After my basic course 97 and the advanced course a few years later, I didn't take another one till I took a Total Control class around 2012. I had a ton of bad habbits to break and took some time to do it. Now taking the ridesmart track days, has sharpened my skills even more. There is always something to learn as long as you have an open mind.
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The reason most older people (50ish +) don't have their M is because 20+ years ago, it was hard to get your class m. Well, not hard, it was just complicated, so most would get their permit at best and call lot good. Those that did get their "m" endorsement it would require the effort of 2 people, a car and a bike.

First, you had to take a written test to get your "permit", then once you practiced riding with someone who did have a "m" endorsement, you had to go back with your bike being ridden by that someone with a "m" endorsement (because you didn't have a license yet) while you followed in a car. Once at the dps, the officer would instruct you and your buddy What the signals would be (like one honk means turn left, two honks means turn right, stuff like that) and you would now ride the bike while your buddy drove the car with the officer in It giving you signals and the officer graded you.

Before the msf, there were no courses for any of this, so it was easy to fail for dumb things like putting the wrong foot down. Not to mention, the bike and the car had to pass inspections by the officer and your buddy had to be clean too, before you even started the test.

This is some BS mixed with fairy tales. You could ride your bike to the DPS. There were no honks or signals from the car. You never had to get a leaners permit. And most of all, the entire thing was much easier than two days doing a course. If you don't have a friend with a car I guess it might have been trouble? They check the bike for blinkers etc. They never ran my driver's DL.
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I'm not picking on you, but mostly the statement in general, because I hear this a lot.

It kills me that people take the basic course And they never take another course to sharpen their skills. We fall into some very bad habbits over time and an advanced course can work wonders in getting you back in tune with doing things the right way. I'm just as guilty, though. After my basic course 97 and the advanced course a few years later, I didn't take another one till I took a Total Control class around 2012. I had a ton of bad habbits to break and took some time to do it. Now taking the ridesmart track days, has sharpened my skills even more. There is always something to learn as long as you have an open mind.
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I have had a M stamp for 22 years . Back then you had a few choices . Bike in truck , unload , licensed driver to drive DPS officer behind you . Make a couple of blocks with via horn beeps for left/right .
If you had no truck a licensed rider had to get the bike up there for you , and you still had to provide a driver/car for DPS officer .
If it wasnt like above you got a ticket , and no test performed .
21 questions on the written test .

FYI in Texas stopped with no license can = no ride home , but a tow bill to impound / ticket . Most HPD / Sheriffs ticket , but DPS good luck
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Know anyone that happened to? Sounds like scare tactics. Everyone I know (10+) when I got my M rode their own bike. I did my test and drove for two tests, no DL's were checked. Bikes and insurance were always checked.
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Know anyone that happened to? Sounds like scare tactics. Everyone I know (10+) when I got my M rode their own bike. I did my test and drove for two tests, no DL's were checked. Bikes and insurance were always checked.
They don't play in Galveston. Was a big group ride down there. One dude accelerated to beat a red light. LEO pulled him over. No license. Bike got loaded on a tilt-bed.
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They don't play in Galveston. Was a big group ride down there. One dude accelerated to beat a red light. LEO pulled him over. No license. Bike got loaded on a tilt-bed.
I agree riding without a DL is a bad thing because if you get pulled over for some other reason you will have a bad day. I am talking about the people saying you must trailer your bike or have someone ride it to the DPS when getting your M because otherwise you will get done and not get a test or have your bike impounded.

I'm not even arguing MSF is bad. This doom and gloom talk of how bad things were before doesn't at all match the experience I had with me and everyone I rode with.
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I agree riding without a DL is a bad thing because if you get pulled over for some other reason you will have a bad day. I am talking about the people saying you must trailer your bike or have someone ride it to the DPS when getting your M because otherwise you will get done and not get a test or have your bike impounded.

I'm not even arguing MSF is bad. This doom and gloom talk of how bad things were before doesn't at all match the experience I had with me and everyone I rode with.
Pretty sure you can ride to DPS if you have whatever certificate MSF gives you.
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Know anyone that happened to? Sounds like scare tactics. Everyone I know (10+) when I got my M rode their own bike. I did my test and drove for two tests, no DL's were checked. Bikes and insurance were always checked.
Tell you what show up @ headquarters no M stamp on a bike and say Hi .

2230 West Rd, Houston, TX 77065 Bring walking shoes

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Wow, guess times have changed. Rode my bike to DPS with no license to take the road test, girlfriend driving her car, no problem.
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Tell you what show up @ headquarters no M stamp on a bike and say Hi .

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So you don't know anyone it happened too. Thanks.
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This is some BS mixed with fairy tales. You could ride your bike to the DPS. There were no honks or signals from the car. You never had to get a leaners permit. And most of all, the entire thing was much easier than two days doing a course. If you don't have a friend with a car I guess it might have been trouble? They check the bike for blinkers etc. They never ran my driver's DL.

No. That is exactly how it was done. Because that's how I also had to get my M endorsement.
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2230 West Rd, Houston, TX 77065 Bring walking shoes

Everyone who successfully passes the Basic Rider Course receives the Texas DPS MSB-8 form in duplicate. If you are 18 and over and have an unrestricted Class A,B or C license, take the MSB-8 to a DPS office, pass the short knowledge quiz they offer and an eye test, and you're done!

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