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Old 10-25-2015, 07:33 PM   #1
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Is the FZ6R really a cheap piece of junk?

I'm in the market for a more upright 650 class bike, to me they're the most comfortable and I have no need for supersport capability, I just want something good for commuting and street riding/touring. This leaves me with the Ninja 650/650R which I've owned 2 of before and really loved. I'm just having a hard time finding one right now for a good price and am willing to consider alternatives.

I saw during my research that the FZ6 is a fantastic bike. It looks like but I prefer fully faired bikes. Anyway, regarding the FZ6R, I've seen a lot of comments talking about how cheap and meh the FZ6R is. I'm aware that the power is quite gutted on the 6R versus just the regular FZ6 "Fazer", and that it's more comparable to the 650R and SV650, but is it really that bad of a bike? I do have to admit that the swingarm on the FZ6R does look pretty cheap. As someone on another forum put it, "it looks like it was made for a bicycle".

Can anyone comment on the FZ6R?
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Old 10-25-2015, 08:15 PM   #2
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Both are De tuned R6 engines with smaller throttle bodies , and cams . A touch less compression as well to run regular pump gas ( 87 octane ) Both stone reliable .
Great budget bikes , easy to fix . Downs budget suspension , but thats the down for a good price point . Awesome bike for daily riding .
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Have you considered the FZ1?
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Old 10-25-2015, 08:52 PM   #4
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I don't think the Fz1 is going to be in my budget, ideally I'm not looking to spend more than 3500-4000 on a bike. The last 09 650R I bought I got for 3400 with ~4k miles, excellent condition, so I'm feeling a bit trolled by everyone on CL asking 4k+ plus for their rashed up or 10k+ mileage bikes right now. Also there's quite a few 650Rs on CL with sport bars which I'm not interested in at all, and the ones with sport bars don't have the original handlebars. Might be waiting for a while I guess.
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C10 nailed it!

FZ6R isn't a piece of junk....
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Old 10-25-2015, 09:22 PM   #6
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dajinn: Spend some time at the following sites:

www.600cc.org for thr FZ6R bikes and
www.600riders.org for FZ6 bikes

Regarding the FZ1, the first gen. started in 2001, 998cc. carbureted; then 2nd gen. began in 2006; fuel injected; on up through present. Early first gen. FZ1s are from about $3,000. through $4,500. 2nd gen 2006s might go for $4,500. and on up as they get newer.

The FZ6 and FZ6R bikes may be shy on certain features, but I doubt that the quality is an issue. I have put about 32,000 miles on a couple of FZ1s that I have owned, and never had one problem of any kind. 100% reliable.

I personally like the FZ6R appearance. I have done a demo on one and liked it, but have no other experience with that bike. I would think you might be well pleased.

The FZ1 is quite a different performing bike from the Ninja 650 twin engines. It has 150 horsepower and is very strong on the top end. Excellent chassis as well. Unless you need more like a sportbike performance, then the FZ1 might be too great a step.
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The big thing that I like about the FZ6R vs. the Ninja 650 is the vibration difference. The inline 4 (that I've demo'd) is very smooth, the parallel twin of the Ninja 650 produces a resonance in the 4-5k range which is right at highway cruising speeds. Makes my hands go numb after a 2 hr ride. I've been contemplating a switch for over a year.

Also, I have a set of stock bars for the 650 if you're interested. Bought them due to a static drop that bent the bars, but was able to bend them back to shape easily.
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You are right about the vibration, I experienced it really bad in the form of the notorious fairing buzz on my 06 model, the buzz was present on the 09 model I had as well but it didn't transfer to the plastics as much.
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Yeah, that is why I like the in-line 4 cylinder design. It is so very smooth.

I know that there are many excellent motorcycles, such as Ducati and others that are "V" twins, but no matter which manufacturer, they all vibrate to some degree. Harley is probably the worst, since for the most part, they do not incorporate counterbalance weights. And even a parallel 2 cylinder like your Ninja 650, also has that feel that I do not like. Even the Yamaha in-line 4s with cross-plane crankshaft have additional vibration, as compared to the standard in-line 4 with 180 degree firing. I have wondered how the 2 cylinder opposed engines, such as a BMW boxer design are regarding vibration. I have never ridden one, but would think that they should be quite smooth.

Then the 3 cylinder engines are interesting. Sort of a hybrid between a 2 and 4 cylinder. Fairly smooth; and a different torque configuration - wider torque spread than an in-line 4.

Anyway, I would think the FZ6R should be an excellent choice. Price wise, it should cost less than an FZ1, and suit your needs very well, IMO. Good luck.
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Im sure youve researched and whatnot. In my opinion i would look at the FZ6 and not the FZ6R for multiple reasons
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Having owned all three I can breifly summate thing:

FZ1 is the best all-around build-to-preference platform in motorcycling today. I am in love with mine, albit highly modified. Cheap to buy, cheap to upgrade, cheap to insure, 450lb and 150hp. Not crank, like.. 142-148rwhp reliably with exhaust and tune/flash. Smooth as silk with a 12krpm redline (12.5k-13.2k with flash) ..... and 30k valve check intevrals... It's a sleeper in every way.

FZ6 a great, softer, just as reliable but not as sharp-on-the-edge kinda bike. Cheaper in every way the fz1, but still packs a whollup of power up top.

FZ6R - a better "around town" bike than either, really, eespecially for novices. The 6R makes great low end torque and gets higher mpg than either the 1 or 6. However, it is flat. FLAT. FLAT. Something like 65-70hp? I mean, thats fine, but it doesnt have the character of an sv650/ninja650, or the rush of the 6, and nothing anywhere close ot the 1.

IMHO, Id take a FZ6 in your spot, though FZ1's can be had for a STEAL. Two buddy';s just bought an 09 decked out 25k mi for 3k flat. another purchased an '11 with nice upgrades, 5.5k.

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Try www.yamahafz1oa.com
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2012 w/ 580 miles.. 6.8K OBO. http://yamahafz1oa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=139244

Out of your price range but goes to show you what 6k can buy in the right market
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I had an FZ6 and my buddy still has a 2009 FZ6R. It's about 30hp dopwn on the FZ6, but still a capable bike.

I would still take the FZ6 over the 6R. The money they spent adding plastic came from somewhere (swingarm, suspension, engine). Go for the FZ6 and get if you need plastic buy a set of powerbronze lowers for the FZ6.
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Cant go wrong with the fz6. Just slap some scorpion and a knn and will add a little more power and will run smoother. Im very happy with mine
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As a previous 1st gen fz1 owner, I strongly recommend it. You can get them for dirt cheap (2-3.5k). just don't be scared of one with a a few miles. Actually, those are probably the better ones to get. Google FZ1 forum and check the adds there as well our friends at two wheel Texans. Lots of fz owners over there.

Another bike to consider would be a Strom. SV motor with a more upright seating position. Surprisingly capable and super hardcore following.
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I love my FZ1!!!!!! I did some research about the FZ6 and FZ6R. I thought those two bikes had the same engine, but not so. Here is the rundown on horsepower at the crankshaft:
FZ1 = 150
FZ6 = 98
FZ6R ~ 75
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I had both an FZ6 and a 6R in my garage for about 4 years and the only thing that is the same between the bikes are the footpegs !! Everything else is different. The 6 was more powerful and in my opinion handled better. The 6R had a better gearbox, but everything else, in my opinion, was cheaper tubular frame vs cast alloy, box swing arm vs alloy, 160 rear tire vs 180 even down to the fact that the 6R had only 1 lamp to indicate that your turn signal was on and the 6 had left and right.
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I don't have any complaints about my 2012 FZ6R...it's great for around town/commuting (which is what it's made for).

It's a solid "entry-level" sportbike.
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