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Old 07-09-2007, 03:32 PM   #1
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Battlax BT-020/021 vs. Battlax BT014 wear and grip

I ride an 04 GSXR 750 and have so far been replacing the rears every 2500-3500 miles with 180/55/17 Bridgestone Battlax BT-014 R's (the oem tire in the oem size).
I do a lot of mountain road riding and fast canyon runs but also a fair bit of interstate. I'm tired of replacing the tire every couple thousand miles, especially with the center of the tire wearing out as fast as mine do (despite the mountain roads).
I'm considering a switch to the "sport touring" BT-021 or BT-020's but I don't know anyone that has ran them. Will I be disappointed? I don't do any track days (yet) and when I do I plan on buying a 2nd set of wheels to keep some supersport tires on exclusively for the track. I have knee sliders but so far haven't used them, so I'm not leaning all the way down, but I don't want to spend another $200 getting a tire mounted that I'm not going to be happy with. I've never been disappointed with my 014R's, except with their short life.
I also do a good bit of riding in the rain since I often commute on my bike. The BT-014's are fine when new but they run out of tread so quickly and towards the end of their life cycle their wet performance leaves something to be desired.

Has anyone run the 020's or 021's? What is your impression? What have you run before and what are you running after?

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Old 07-09-2007, 03:40 PM   #2
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IMO, the new lines of sport-touring tires often more than enough grip for weekend/canyon riding. They also provide superior wet riding as well. Any reason you are only going w/ the 'Stones?

If you hit the track I would go with a standard sport tire or preferably a hybrid sport/trackday tire...
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Old 07-09-2007, 03:45 PM   #3
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so where are these canyons and mountains you speak of?
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Pilot road for the rear and power up front or find the comparable bridgestones if your set on them.
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ive ran the bto-20's before. not too bad, lets just say i had fun spinning the tire when i would gun it off a red light. i couldnt hardly do that at all when i switched to PP's. that should tell you something about the difference in grip.
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Old 07-09-2007, 04:36 PM   #7
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yep. i'd go with pilot powers for the street. metzlers m3's are good as well. nice and grippy tire.
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Old 07-09-2007, 05:38 PM   #8
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Nah I have a large circle of friends that I ride with and many of them are running the pilot powers and the pilot power 2ct and they are getting the same rate of wear that I am on my BT 014's and I can easily keep up with them in the twisties. In addition I can get the stones for $60 cheaper per than the michelins. But I'm trying to get away from the BT 014's tire wear and any tires that are going to be similar in the short tire life regard. I haven't experienced any problems with the front tire so I'll probably leave the BT-014 on until it it, since I'm getting 8000 miles plus out of the fronts. since I've got the bridgestone on the front it just seems right to keep bridgestone on the rear.
chris 24- was that when cold or all the time? Patrick put a set of Metzler Roadtec Z6 on my last bike and I wasn't crazy about their cold grip, they took a long time to heat up. I only had that bike about 1000 miles after I put the new tires on it before I sold it, but they were holding up well. They were excellent tires in the rain. Would the Battlax BT-020's or 021's be comparable in performance to those? (I noticed the 021 is being sold to "sport rouring rides a 'luxury feel' and all weather performance" as an alternative to the older 020 which is sold for "touring riders who enjoy a vigorous ride," but this marketing speak doesn't tell me which one is better for me.

BTW the mountain riding I do is all east coast baby.
The world doesn't stop and start in TX! Hence the long freeway rides too.
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I've been putting a lot of guys on the following combos with good results;
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FWIW, the new BT021 is a great tire!
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Old 07-09-2007, 11:33 PM   #10
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its worth a good bit since I know you see more than your fair share of tires!
I'll prolly be rocking the BT-021 then for my next rear tire.
Unfortunately I'm on the east coast and planning to ride the bike back down to TX soon so I'll prolly have to have one spooned on up here otherwise I'd have you do it.
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dude its a motorcycle. its got two wheels not four you should want all the grip you can get, maybe you should just buy take offs that way every couple of thousand miles you change em for less money than buying new ones
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Old 07-10-2007, 11:19 AM   #12
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did you read anything that I said in my post before you hit reply?
you need to understand that the freeway isn't the interstate, and when you take a 1200 mile trip on a new supersport tire and by the time you get where youre going, the center section is down to the wear strip, thats going to offer you LESS traction, especially in the rain, than a harder compound tire which has better wear characteristics. I don't think race takeoffs are a good recommendation to a rider who, as I already said I do, rides exclusively on the street and takes many longer freeway rides.
Oh, and I should probably also mention that race takeoffs are taken off after being worn down pretty well on the track, and are usually the softest compound available. their miles of wear on the interstate would be measured in the hundreds and not the thousands. I'm already replacing the rear every few thousand miles on the BT014R's, and thats not cool, especially when taking 1200 mile rides.
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I'm pretty sure its all the interstate thats in between the twisties.
but I already said all that. reading pwns.
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I'm pretty sure its all the interstate thats in between the twisties.
but I already said all that. reading pwns.
I would look into one of the combos Patrick listed.
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dude its a motorcycle. its got two wheels not four you should want all the grip you can get, maybe you should just buy take offs that way every couple of thousand miles you change em for less money than buying new ones
You never know how many heat cycles the take offs have gone through. More heat cycles on take-offs = less traction and brittle rubber.

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my friend has an SV1000 and he got a 2ct 2000 miles ago and its down to the 2nd layer of rubber already.
I've already made up my mind on the bridgestone battlax BT-021.
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