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Old 10-08-2015, 01:35 PM   #21
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Ask the racers on here, but I think it would be great to start racing 250s and get used to the intensity and closeness. Then move to 600s and up. You will get crazy fast and more fearless.
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Old 10-08-2015, 02:20 PM   #22
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To those who think you can't do it.........


Ponder this: back when I started (dinosaur days) There were no track days. You took a race class Saturday morning & then went endurance racing after like 2 sessions on the track.

You've already had infinitely more experience on the track than I did in my first race. I survived & so will you.
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Old 10-19-2015, 01:42 PM   #23
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I would argue there's a difference between seat time on a track and race craft.

As for lap times unless you're talking apples to apples in terms of equipment they aren't a good indicator of ones true pace. Big power bikes like the S1KRR can get you down into the low 2:00s - 1:58s at MSRH yet they park it in corners and get all spooked by anything close to an inside pass let alone being stuffed.
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Old 10-19-2015, 02:03 PM   #24
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Go race. If you get lapped, %^&# it. Goal for next round is not to get lapped. Then, you'll get in the top 10............

You actually get new relatives with the deal, too. "Race" family is better than "real" family in most cases.
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Track fats are great for learning how to build the basics: line building, trail breaking, etc. But racing is where you put it all together and see how it helps. I just started racing and I can tell next year is going to be a BIG learning curve.
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Go race. If you want to ease into it, go TMGP. Great people, low costs, and gets you used to close passing. You will get faster.

Then go CMRA if you have fun in TMGP. You will have a blast.
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Racing definitely made me a better rider. I don't act a fool on the streets anymore either. I save it for the track.
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I've been vacillating to start racing but been reluctant giving my lap times that are level 3 but barley. But according to Brian J. Nelson article Aug/Sep '15 Sport Rider "TRACKDAYS OR GO RACING?" Some riders stay to long as track riders but racing is what really sharpens your skills. I know several regular track riders that are fast enough to race but when I ask them they all claim that they aren't fast enough.

I'd like feed back from people who switched from track riders to racers. Did it make as big of difference on improving their lap times as the article suggests?
OP here is a pretty interesting article that deals with your exact question.

http://biketrackdayshub.com/when-are...kp6BIETb34zDHD

Personally I think it all depends on the rider. A guy on a big bike can get deceptively quick lap times based on horsepower and still not be skilled enough at cornering to be safe let alone competitive. Then again as someone pointed out in the olden days you took the class and went racing without the benefit of trackdays. I would temper that with the fact that the bikes were nearly as powerful, despite being peaky and harder to ride nor did the tires allow the kind of grip we get today. I tend to ride much better when I'm chasing down someone than I do when its just me on the track, so if your're racing in your mind on trackdays, you're a good candidate to race for real.
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Old 10-22-2015, 12:28 PM   #30
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FYI - the fastest Ninja 250s at last September's CMRA MSRH round ran Solo 30 ULW lap times in the 1:54 range (Jim Whitten and Brad Thomas). Solo 30 events put ULW bikes like the Ninja 250s in with the LW bikes (SVs and other F2 bikes) to run the full track, not the short course used for the Saturday morning sprint races.

So a full course 1:56 on a Ninja 250 is flying...
I was with Craig riding with him on the 250's when he got his 1.56. That is flying!!! I broke into low 54's and on a 250 I worked and worked and you just have to say F it and hold the throttle wide open were you wouldn't dare on big bikes. Not boasting, but with this said the 250's is were you learn how to hold your speed coming in and thru the apex, how to-turn in when the bike is loaded and unloaded. The 250 racing is cheap. You can go almost a entire season on a set of tires, especially if your just sprinting 1 set will last the season. Fuel cost are cheap, a good used race bike can be had for 3-4K and well set up ready to race. I started on a liter bike, then 600, then 250. The 250 made me a better rider and got me to mid 1.40's at MSRH on my 600 and would have taken longer with out racing the 250's. This is not only a cheaper way to get into racing, but a learning tool. Also passing and getting passed at 90-95MPH, is a lot easier to predict and easier on the mind than 140 MPH and above. This is only my opinion and what has made me a better rider.
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