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Old 10-04-2015, 09:10 PM   #1
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To be faster go racing.

I've been vacillating to start racing but been reluctant giving my lap times that are level 3 but barley. But according to Brian J. Nelson article Aug/Sep '15 Sport Rider "TRACKDAYS OR GO RACING?" Some riders stay to long as track riders but racing is what really sharpens your skills. I know several regular track riders that are fast enough to race but when I ask them they all claim that they aren't fast enough.

I'd like feed back from people who switched from track riders to racers. Did it make as big of difference on improving their lap times as the article suggests?
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I've been vacillating to start racing but been reluctant giving my lap times that are level 3 but barley. But according to Brian J. Nelson article Aug/Sep '15 Sport Rider "TRACKDAYS OR GO RACING?" Some riders stay to long as track riders but racing is what really sharpens your skills. I know several regular track riders that are fast enough to race but when I ask them they all claim that they aren't fast enough.

I'd like feed back from people who switched from track riders to racers. Did it make as big of difference on improving their lap times as the article suggests?
Yes most definitely! You don't get faster riding with slower riders. Come join the CMRA an get your license. You will learn a lot.
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This is my time at MSRH on the 250 after help from friends.
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It can get expensive depending on what bike you ride. 250's are cheap and race tires last a whole season.
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This is my time at MSRH on the 250 after help from friends.
That's a real good lap time for a 250 can't compare it to CMRA races giving 250 run the shorter track but IMO that's very competitive time.
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That's a real good lap time for a 250 can't compare it to CMRA races giving 250 run the shorter track but IMO that's very competitive time.
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I wish they would run the full course in ULGP, 500SS, and F4 at local races...
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I wish they would run the full course in ULGP, 500SS, and F4 at local races...
Me too
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You are allowed to push harder at the races. Too bad it cost a lot to sprint.
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That's a real good lap time for a 250 can't compare it to CMRA races giving 250 run the shorter track but IMO that's very competitive time.
FYI - the fastest Ninja 250s at last September's CMRA MSRH round ran Solo 30 ULW lap times in the 1:54 range (Jim Whitten and Brad Thomas). Solo 30 events put ULW bikes like the Ninja 250s in with the LW bikes (SVs and other F2 bikes) to run the full track, not the short course used for the Saturday morning sprint races.

So a full course 1:56 on a Ninja 250 is flying...
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This is my time at MSRH on the 250 after help from friends.
I was slower on a 600 when I started racing.


Go Race. All the people who say they "aren't fast enough to race" but are in level 3 are lying. They're plenty fast to race...they're not fast enough to win, and they're holding out for that. Which is gay. Go race.
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FYI - the fastest Ninja 250s at last September's CMRA MSRH round ran Solo 30 ULW lap times in the 1:54 range (Jim Whitten and Brad Thomas). Solo 30 events put ULW bikes like the Ninja 250s in with the LW bikes (SVs and other F2 bikes) to run the full track, not the short course used for the Saturday morning sprint races.

So a full course 1:56 on a Ninja 250 is flying...
I've seen a 300 do a 1:50 about pooped myself from surprise. Still 1:56 is booking it, I'm curious to see if I am that fast on the full course and I have a cheater ulw bike.
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race, ride, a sv650 around the track. forces you to carry more corner speed to keep up with your buddies. they have endurance racing for it also if you have the endurance capabilities, which if you dont some bicycling, and exercising will get you there no problem. if you are saying you are towards the lower tier of level 3 pace, then you may want to drop 10-15 seconds.. so in that case maybe ty howard's racing school? I havent taken it but heard good things from another forum member on here.

ive seen some racers that have been riding, racing for years and they really haven't dropped any time. they tend to just stay end of the pack. so i dont think racing will always help you drop time

maybe take the ty howard school? maybe you just need a tow and some to battle it out with? are you going to be riding with LSTD this friday? If so, come see maybe I can give you a tow around the track
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I set all my personal bests during races or qualifying sessions. The real speed comes when you get promoted to expert status and don't want to get embarrassed. Racing made me much faster.

Having said that, I've also seen people who have been racing for years still circulating the track like it's a Sunday cruise. I guess they just want to call themselves racers because they sure aren't "racing".
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I've seen this also. One guy explained to me that he would rather be on the track as a racer knowing your not going to win anything, than at a track day with unpredictable bikes/riders.

To an extent I agree. These guys usually hold a predictable line, easy to pass. Plus racing organizations love it because they get full grids and constant source of income.
Racing has made me faster, a lot faster. When did you race Bucknut?
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I want to make a correction. The article "TRACKDAYS OR GO RACING?" was by Andrew Trevitt not by Brian J. Nelson..
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