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Old 09-28-2015, 03:41 PM   #41
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Here's an example. I'm far enough behind the white truck and aimed between the white and maroon trucks. I'm in 1st gear, and if the driver coming behind me doesn't stop, I'm headed between the two trucks. It might still be bad if an approaching driver doesn't stop, but I'm not taking the brunt of the impact.
You have way more faith in your abilities to overcome others' stupidity than I have. I got rear-ended twice in the last summer in my car, both about a month apart. The first one happened in stop-n-go traffic during rush hour. I'm completely stopped, the guy behind lurched forward and bumped me. Said his foot slipped off the clutch. Second time was a college girl didn't notice that traffic was stopped at a light (in particular me) and didn't stop soon enough.

Had I been riding my bike, I wouldn't have gotten hit. Not because I was incredibly alert or agile, but rather I usually stop near the lane markers right beside the car's rear bumper in view of the driver side mirror. By occupying space between lanes, whether stopped or moving, you are less likely to be hit by a vehicle.

The lane-splitting study in CA a couple years back concluded that you're significantly less likely to be struck from the rear by lane-splitting while only marginally more likely to strike someone ahead of you. Sure you have to be aware of what you're doing, but most people are more able to accurately judge other driver's movements while facing them rather than in a mirror. If I'm responsible for my own safety, I want to put myself in a position that I can more accurately monitor and respond to situations. That means keeping as much of the action in front of me by moving at or slightly ahead of the speed of traffic when travelling or positioning myself out of the way when stopped.
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Old 09-28-2015, 04:12 PM   #42
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I hadn't checked the forum over the weekend, but I'm glad it started this conversation. I feel like it is very much a personal judgement call as to whether or not you lane split.

For me it's very situational.

I've just moved to Texas so I didn't know it was (apparently) relatively easy to get out of it without a ticket if you did get pulled over.

In Brooklyn (where I moved from) I got chased once or twice by civilian drivers who got because I split past them when traffic was stopped. serious road rage in some people.
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I hadn't checked the forum over the weekend, but I'm glad it started this conversation. I feel like it is very much a personal judgement call as to whether or not you lane split.

For me it's very situational.

I've just moved to Texas so I didn't know it was (apparently) relatively easy to get out of it without a ticket if you did get pulled over.

In Brooklyn (where I moved from) I got chased once or twice by civilian drivers who got because I split past them when traffic was stopped. serious road rage in some people.
First, don't think it will be easy to get "out of it"
Second, don't think the road rage won't happen, you WILL off many drivers, and some WILL attempt to kill your a$$
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Yep. As has been repeatedly said by others, I've never gotten a ticket for it, but I did get yelled at by an out-of-jurisdiction LEO. Was on south 59 (inbound) before the HOV splits into a separate walled lane. Traffic was nearly stopped on the whole highway, and I split between the fast lane and the HOV lane (solid double line where no one is supposed to cross anyway). Told me to pull over on the loud speaker and threatened to arrest me next time for reckless driving (I was literally idling the bike in first gear). Oh well, no arrest, no ticket, no record it ever happened.
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I think lane splitting would work, but only by educating general populous and by motorcyclists tuning down their "inner hooligan" and actually doing what the proposed bills underlined - no more than 5mph faster than cagers. I don't agree that government should be mandating helmet laws, or even seat belt laws, for that matter. I'll continue to wear my helmet and seat belt, but I don't need Big Gubmint forcing laws down my neck because they need to somehow save me from myself. Sometimes the Gene pool needs desalinating from time to time.
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Yeah, the State of Texas could blast texts about it during rush hour
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Doesnt mean they will look up from their phones long enough to read the signs.
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Doesnt mean they will look up from their phones long enough to read the signs.
That's why they need to send the texts to their phones, because that's where drivers usually have their eyes
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Before moving to California I thought lane splitting just makes sense and wished for it. After I moved to California, I wish they banned it.
About 99% of riders flagrantly abuse it, ride very dangerously cutting people off and causing near crashes. So after living with it, I say nope. Much safer for both rider and driver that lane splitting does not spread.
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Before moving to California I thought lane splitting just makes sense and wished for it. After I moved to California, I wish they banned it.
About 99% of riders flagrantly abuse it, ride very dangerously cutting people off and causing near crashes. So after living with it, I say nope. Much safer for both rider and driver that lane splitting does not spread.
Every time I'm on 610, I see dozens of sport bikes hauling and weaving in and out of traffic; therefore, all sport bike riders are dangerous idiots. Oh...I only take 610 on Wednesday nights, but since it happens every time I'm on the loop, this must be a 24/7 occurrence everywhere across the country.
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Every time I'm on 610, I see dozens of sport bikes hauling and weaving in and out of traffic; therefore, all sport bike riders are dangerous idiots. Oh...I only take 610 on Wednesday nights, but since it happens every time I'm on the loop, this must be a 24/7 occurrence everywhere across the country.
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I have been riding bikes in street and track for years, btw.
Don't preach that to me please. I'm too old for that.
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Obviously. Otherwise, you'd put the quote before your typing.

On a serious note, your posts are usually pretty solid, which is why I was surprised when you said your anecdotal experiences were reason enough to ban lane splitting for everyone. There's an Australian study from just a few years back that showed splitting was neither safer nor more dangerous for anyone on the road.
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I believe there are numerous studies that show the same as well, not just Australia. The general conclusion that is starting to be made is that it is no more it less safe, but helps traffic flow. It's a win for everyone.
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When you drive around Silicon Valley and 9 out of 10 riders (for the last two years) ride like (impartial party observation here), and you see it day in and day out on all highways, you start thinking about it a bit more. Rider habits differ greatly from place to place. For example here in Silicon Valley, I swear people got their licenses on the flea market. You will get pushed off the road. No question. Compared to here, Houston, Austin and other Texas areas are a Sunday driver's place. I never thought of it til I moved there. Same with Moro riders, in Texas most seem pretty cool, with occasional yahoo here and there. Down in Silicon Valley you have overwhelming majority split lanes at 70mph or more (not just sport bikes but all bikes, even those that you could swear were already junked), forcing auto drivers off the road (yes, getting into their way when parallel to them and honking waving legs and revving motors).
Yes. I am sure in many cities you can have studies that show safety. However it is a cultural and individual area thing. If Kane splitting was done in Texas, I am sure it would be safer than in NorCal for sure. But come and see how they ride here and you will get same idea. Lots of young kids who rode for a year and think they are Marquez or Rossi. Then you hear of another crash on news when you get to work.

So is it safe? I say safe few places while in others dangerous. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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When you drive around Silicon Valley and 9 out of 10 riders (for the last two years) ride like (impartial party observation here), and you see it day in and day out on all highways, you start thinking about it a bit more. Rider habits differ greatly from place to place. For example here in Silicon Valley, I swear people got their licenses on the flea market. You will get pushed off the road. No question. Compared to here, Houston, Austin and other Texas areas are a Sunday driver's place. I never thought of it til I moved there. Same with Moro riders, in Texas most seem pretty cool, with occasional yahoo here and there. Down in Silicon Valley you have overwhelming majority split lanes at 70mph or more (not just sport bikes but all bikes, even those that you could swear were already junked), forcing auto drivers off the road (yes, getting into their way when parallel to them and honking waving legs and revving motors).
Yes. I am sure in many cities you can have studies that show safety. However it is a cultural and individual area thing. If Kane splitting was done in Texas, I am sure it would be safer than in NorCal for sure. But come and see how they ride here and you will get same idea. Lots of young kids who rode for a year and think they are Marquez or Rossi. Then you hear of another crash on news when you get to work.

So is it safe? I say safe few places while in others dangerous. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Just curious, what's the law for cell phone use by drivers in CA? In Houston drivers wander out of their lanes frequently.
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I believe the demographics of the area will also play a huge role on everyday behavior... Everything is much worse when you have a bunch of idiots living in one area.
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When you drive around Silicon Valley and 9 out of 10 riders (for the last two years) ride like (impartial party observation here), and you see it day in and day out on all highways, you start thinking about it a bit more. Rider habits differ greatly from place to place. For example here in Silicon Valley, I swear people got their licenses on the flea market. You will get pushed off the road. No question. Compared to here, Houston, Austin and other Texas areas are a Sunday driver's place. I never thought of it til I moved there. Same with Moro riders, in Texas most seem pretty cool, with occasional yahoo here and there. Down in Silicon Valley you have overwhelming majority split lanes at 70mph or more (not just sport bikes but all bikes, even those that you could swear were already junked), forcing auto drivers off the road (yes, getting into their way when parallel to them and honking waving legs and revving motors).
Yes. I am sure in many cities you can have studies that show safety. However it is a cultural and individual area thing. If Kane splitting was done in Texas, I am sure it would be safer than in NorCal for sure. But come and see how they ride here and you will get same idea. Lots of young kids who rode for a year and think they are Marquez or Rossi. Then you hear of another crash on news when you get to work.

So is it safe? I say safe few places while in others dangerous. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
What you describe, assuming it's accurate, is NOT legal, even in CA. That's like saying pit bulls should not be legal anywhere because some idiots refuse to train their dogs and let them roam the neighborhood freely, ending in people being attacked by the dog. You can't point to illegal (and irresponsible) behavior and use it as an argument to ban the legal behavior.
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That seems to be the go to argument for banning a lot of things...
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What you describe, assuming it's accurate, is NOT legal, even in CA. That's like saying pit bulls should not be legal anywhere because some idiots refuse to train their dogs and let them roam the neighborhood freely, ending in people being attacked by the dog. You can't point to illegal (and irresponsible) behavior and use it as an argument to ban the legal behavior.
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When you drive around Silicon Valley and 9 out of 10 riders (for the last two years) ride like (impartial party observation here), and you see it day in and day out on all highways, you start thinking about it a bit more. Rider habits differ greatly from place to place. For example here in Silicon Valley, I swear people got their licenses on the flea market. You will get pushed off the road. No question. Compared to here, Houston, Austin and other Texas areas are a Sunday driver's place. I never thought of it til I moved there. Same with Moro riders, in Texas most seem pretty cool, with occasional yahoo here and there. Down in Silicon Valley you have overwhelming majority split lanes at 70mph or more (not just sport bikes but all bikes, even those that you could swear were already junked), forcing auto drivers off the road (yes, getting into their way when parallel to them and honking waving legs and revving motors).
Yes. I am sure in many cities you can have studies that show safety. However it is a cultural and individual area thing. If Kane splitting was done in Texas, I am sure it would be safer than in NorCal for sure. But come and see how they ride here and you will get same idea. Lots of young kids who rode for a year and think they are Marquez or Rossi. Then you hear of another crash on news when you get to work.

So is it safe? I say safe few places while in others dangerous. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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