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Old 09-01-2015, 07:38 AM   #181
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rider went for the pass on the outside and didn;t make, whats the big deal.

buncha douches.
Exactly. Tried to be hard and "bully" cop by passing between him and curb. Just didn't make it. That's what happens.
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I don't see any new refutations. Still am watching a car push a motorcycle out of its lane and into the curb. Nothing new here.
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Strongly disagree. Dumbass on bike didn't maintain 500 foot distance. In the video I saw, the cop just squeezed him out, and he sucked at riding, so he took a stupid tumble. And he has no respect for law enforcement.
I'm glad you mentioned this. I completely forgot about the distance rule.
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I don't see any new refutations. Still am watching a car push a motorcycle out of its lane and into the curb. Nothing new here.
So you didn't watch it in slow motion and fullscreen so you can make out the lane markers clearly showing the car clearly in the far left lane long before the bike leans left then right as he would making a pass?
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I don't see any new refutations. Still am watching a car push a motorcycle out of its lane and into the curb. Nothing new here.
It's the responsibility of the rider making the pass to do it safely, but you already knew that
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So you didn't watch it in slow motion and fullscreen so you can make out the lane markers clearly showing the car clearly in the far left lane long before the bike leans left then right as he would making a pass?
Apparently he's viewing it on a small screen
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Apparently he's viewing it on a small screen
Maybe he needs better internet so the HD resolutions show up too.
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Wow, first time I've logged in in a 's age. First off, thanks for the entertainment. I actually read the entire thread.

My question to everyone (no matter which side you're on) is: " What do you do if a random vehicle encroaches into your lane?"

I'm no genius but I know there's this thing that my right hand never leaves when I'm moving.

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Maybe he needs better internet so the HD resolutions show up too.
Maybe he's been blinded by his prejudice against police.
His arguments, while well constructed, have all been in the tone of intentional malice towards the rider. Calling the incident, assault with a deadly weapon and his reasoning irrefutable.
In spite of the fact that the officer had his lights on and was clearly trying to keep the bikes behind him.
In spite of the fact that it appears that the car and the bike never made contact, he has concluded the officer ran him off the road by "sideswiping" the bike.
He then accuses those who disagree of ignoring the facts when the reality is, he is ignoring the facts and seeing what he chooses.
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Like I've said, can't really continue this argument when both sides disagree about what they take away from the fairly clearly recorded video.

Prior to starting the curve to the right, the bike in question's in the no. 1 lane and the cruiser is in no. 2. As both proceed to the right the cruiser drifts steadily to the left, passing through the lane of travel as near the curb as possible until the bike strikes the curb. There is no "flick of the bike" nor does the cruiser turn away from (back to the right) until the exact moment the bike hits the curb and crashes.

Watching the video timer you can see that the bike was alongside the cruiser for almost two-and-a-half seconds. All that I can take away from the preceding is that the cruiser made a deliberate action to stop the bike's progress in that lane - by using the cruiser to take the lane away from the bike. You can be sure that were the roles reversed and a motorcyclist (better yet a car driver) used their vehicle to push a police cruiser off of the roadway there would be myriad charges filed - it happens with common regularity. (And I'm not going off of the video to make any claim that their was contact between the two vehicles. A Milwaukee Police spokesman repeatedly claimed there was a collision. In any case, contact or not, sideswipe or not, when a vehicle with eight times your mass wants to occupy your space, the choice is contest the occupation with your lesser body or yield to the curb. However it happens, the bike loses to the curb - there was no contest to be made against a police cruiser) and it's not any kind of personal bias behind calling it aggravated assault. I've just seen a multitude of cases where a fleeing suspect was charged under that statute for tapping a police car while trying to evade capture - with much more innocent or inadvertent contact than is seen here.

Should the rider have yielded to the emergency vehicle with lights on? For sure.

Could the rider have hit his brakes and slowed to prevent a collision or being forced from his lane? Most probably.

Do either of those omissions excuse the officer from following procedure and law? Nope. Cops deal with all of the time - that's what happens when you're paid to deal with criminals. The idea isn't that cops stoop to their level when enforcing law.

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Like I've said, can't really continue this argument when both sides disagree about what they take away from the fairly clearly recorded video.

Prior to starting the curve to the right, the bike in question's in the no. 1 lane and the cruiser is in no. 2. As both proceed to the right the cruiser drifts steadily to the left, passing through the lane of travel as near the curb as possible until the bike strikes the curb. There is no "flick of the bike" nor does the cruiser turn away from (back to the right) until the exact moment the bike hits the curb and crashes.

Watching the video timer you can see that the bike was alongside the cruiser for almost two-and-a-half seconds. All that I can take away from the preceding is that the cruiser made a deliberate action to stop the bike's progress in that lane - by using the cruiser to take the lane away from the bike. You can be sure that were the roles reversed and a motorcyclist (better yet a car driver) used their vehicle to push a police cruiser off of the roadway there would be myriad charges filed - it happens with common regularity. (And I'm not going off of the video to make any claim that their was contact between the two vehicles. A Milwaukee Police spokesman repeatedly claimed there was a collision. In any case, contact or not, sideswipe or not, when a vehicle with eight times your mass wants to occupy your space, the choice is contest the occupation with your lesser body or yield to the curb. However it happens, the bike loses to the curb - there was no contest to be made against a police cruiser) and it's not any kind of personal bias behind calling it aggravated assault. I've just seen a multitude of cases where a fleeing suspect was charged under that statute for tapping a police car while trying to evade capture - with much more innocent or inadvertent contact than is seen here.

Should the rider have yielded to the emergency vehicle with lights on? For sure.

Could the rider have hit his brakes and slowed to prevent a collision or being forced from his lane? Most probably.

Do either of those omissions excuse the officer from following procedure and law? Nope. Cops deal with all of the time - that's what happens when you're paid to deal with criminals. The idea isn't that cops stoop to their level when enforcing law.
Problem with your version is that you really can't tell when the cruiser changes lanes because the camera is pointing everywhere but the road ahead for a few seconds. From what I see, the cruiser initiated a lane change partway through the curve and was at least mostly in the left lane by the end of the curve. The bike that went down was matching speed with the cruiser until the cruiser was at least mostly in the far left lane. Only then did the rider accelerate and attempt to initiate a pass, which failed.
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No valid license, no go on road. It's as simple as that. He broke the law the second his touched the seat.

I think the issue starts sooner than the alleged collision.

Each man is accountable for his own decision. Simple thing called "karma" look it up... some wierd people across the pond thought of it a few thousand years ago..

I'm not saying it was right he and his passenger was alleged hit by a vehicle. He rolled the dice and he lost.
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Problem with your version is that you really can't tell when the cruiser changes lanes because the camera is pointing everywhere but the road ahead for a few seconds. From what I see, the cruiser initiated a lane change partway through the curve and was at least mostly in the left lane by the end of the curve. The bike that went down was matching speed with the cruiser until the cruiser was at least mostly in the far left lane. Only then did the rider accelerate and attempt to initiate a pass, which failed.
Yeah, the video isn't perfect but it shows, pretty clearly:

Cruiser in lane two moving to lane one.
Bike to the left of cruiser.
Both vehicles traveling at equal rate of speed.
Cruiser moving left toward bike.
Bike moving left to avoid cruiser.
Cruiser maintaining leftward travel until the bike runs out of room and hits curb.
Cruiser suddenly veers right.

Don't know how that version could be contested. In the simplest terms, a car pushes a bike out of its way.
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