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Old 07-03-2007, 11:40 AM   #1
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TRE update

since my other thread got locked ill post up here.

Installed the TRE and deffinatly feel a difference. now whether or not its a good difference depends on the rider. Personally i think i may be takin it off.

when installed the bike is alot smoother....but this smoothness takes out the 4-5k spike that lets you know your riding a supersport machine. With the tre installed it feels more like a everyday run of the mill bike. I think ill go for a lap at the local "Racetrack":laughing6 with the tre installed, then go home take it off and go for another lap.

The smoothness may be good in corners....
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"Racetrack":laughing6 .
lol. are you refering to the "610 municipal motorsport park"?
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Old 07-03-2007, 06:38 PM   #3
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no sir, i live in pearland, this track is a few mins from my house
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Old 07-03-2007, 07:26 PM   #4
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:27 PM   #5
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So, I've always wondered abot timing eliminators. You always get different opinions/advice.

What I'm sketchy on is the whole timing thing. I know the basic premise here is that the TRE tricks the ECU into thinking that the bike is always in 4th (?) gear, thereby allowing you to run all the way to the redline in top gear thus dispensing with the top speed limiter that would ordinarily kick in.

Modern sportbikes have timing retardation built-in, right? They soften up the power delivery so that you don't (as easily) whack the throttle open and flip the bike over on top of yourself. In essence you get a slight of timing so that throttle response is not so abrupt, correct?

Two questions then:

1. Does the TRE (as the name would imply) do away with timing so that you get immediate throttle response?

2. Does tricking the bike into thinking that it's in 4th all of the time adversely affect your fuel curves? Doesn't the bike have different fuel curves for every gear? I know that the fuel curves are softened up in first and second, so in those gears it could be a good thing, but what about 3rd and fifth? Does the TRE throw the curve off in an undesirable way there?

Well, that's five questions but it.

I know there are other products that achieve the same things (I guess) without using a single gear map for all gears. Can anyone provide a brief, but accurate synopsis of TRE exactly?
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:25 PM   #6
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lol. are you refering to the "610 municipal motorsport park"?
lol wish we had one of those o- we have msr
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hmmm.... can this thing be used to make low RPM (2k-5k) performance better? i wish my bike ran like a champ from 2-5 and i can care less about 5+


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Ive been considering the ivan TRE for my zx10r but Patrick suggested against it and ive been hearing some good and some bad experiences.
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So, I've always wondered abot timing eliminators. You always get different opinions/advice.

What I'm sketchy on is the whole timing thing. I know the basic premise here is that the TRE tricks the ECU into thinking that the bike is always in 4th (?) gear, thereby allowing you to run all the way to the redline in top gear thus dispensing with the top speed limiter that would ordinarily kick in.

Modern sportbikes have timing retardation built-in, right? They soften up the power delivery so that you don't (as easily) whack the throttle open and flip the bike over on top of yourself. In essence you get a slight of timing so that throttle response is not so abrupt, correct?

Two questions then:

1. Does the TRE (as the name would imply) do away with timing so that you get immediate throttle response?

2. Does tricking the bike into thinking that it's in 4th all of the time adversely affect your fuel curves? Doesn't the bike have different fuel curves for every gear? I know that the fuel curves are softened up in first and second, so in those gears it could be a good thing, but what about 3rd and fifth? Does the TRE throw the curve off in an undesirable way there?

Well, that's five questions but it.

I know there are other products that achieve the same things (I guess) without using a single gear map for all gears. Can anyone provide a brief, but accurate synopsis of TRE exactly?
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The TRE bypasses the gear position sensor on Suzukis, making the bike think it's in 5thall of the time, thereby only allowing the ECU to run the ignition timing map for 5th. To the best of my knowlegde, the fuel mapping is the same.

It won't harm anything, and yes, it can give a bit more throttle response in the gears that were originally running the retarded ignition map.

You can build them pretty easily yourself for less than $20.00, all you need is an ohmmeter, some plugs for the gear position indicator, (you can get them off a junk harness at a salvage yard or I can sell them to you new.) and a resistor from Radio Shack.
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The TRE bypasses the gear position sensor on Suzukis, making the bike think it's in 5thall of the time, thereby only allowing the ECU to run the ignition timing map for 5th. To the best of my knowlegde, the fuel mapping is the same.

It won't harm anything, and yes, it can give a bit more throttle response in the gears that were originally running the retarded ignition map.

You can build them pretty easily yourself for less than $20.00, all you need is an ohmmeter, some plugs for the gear position indicator, (you can get them off a junk harness at a salvage yard or I can sell them to you new.) and a resistor from Radio Shack.
Im guessing it works the same on the zx10r?
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