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Old 08-18-2015, 04:16 PM   #81
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Shelly, the problem with your complaint is that the standard driver going through renewal WILL only pay $25. The only reason you're paying $8 is for your extra endorsement. Yeah, their website should probably reflect somewhere (which it does) that you're charged an extra fee for extra endorsements and restrictions (CDL, driver interlock, etc.), or give you an option to drop your M endorsement. I can see where as a non-rider you would object to having to continue paying for an endorsement that you're not using.
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It's strong evidence of the brainwashing of the populace that so many people will say, "meh, it's only $8, no big deal."

The deal is that the government, in providing services that only they can provide, take the most egotistical, holier-than-thou approach to dealing with the public at large and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

The comparison with performance of a private sector entity is perfectly apt - we're talking about beauracratic customer service and the wholly inept way in which the government approaches it - solely because you have no other option - and the administrators of these organizations are just so smug with their "what are you gonna do about it" smile while they put up hoop after hoop for you to jump through and charge service charges on top of their convenience fees for their administrative costs.

It's a racket and an insult to the very people whose taxes provide for it and allow it to go on.

So "M" endorsement should be free?
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So "M" endorsement should be free?
For renewals, why not? While we are at it, the regular license renewals should be free too.
What is the purpose of renewals, other than to suck more money out of citizens who already pay way too many taxes?
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For renewals, why not? While we are at it, the regular license renewals should be free too.
What is the purpose of renewals, other than to suck more money out of citizens who already pay way too many taxes?
The purpose is to keep cheap out-of-state bastards from living in Texas. Apparently it's only accomplished more whining

Texas should impose an income tax for non-natives.
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The purpose is to keep cheap out-of-state bastards from living in Texas. Apparently it's only accomplished more whining

Texas should impose an income tax for non-natives.
Actually I left Florida because theirs was more expensive, to take advantage of the cheap living around here with the rest of the lowlives.

Again you keep making this a FL VS TX thing, when in fact it is a citizen VS government thing.
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Actually I left Florida because theirs was more expensive, to take advantage of the cheap living around here with the rest of the lowlives.

Again you keep making this a FL VS TX thing, when in fact it is a citizen VS government thing.
I want drivers to be licensed. I want the folks that handle the licencing to be paid a salary. I want licenses to be renewed because humans go through physical and mental changes during their lifetime that could affect their ability to operate a motor vehicle. Apparently the government is working for me
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I want licenses to be renewed because humans go through physical and mental changes during their lifetime that could affect their ability to operate a motor vehicle. Apparently the government is working for me
They aren't doing but taking your money. You've been scammed and brainwashed, bro.
I could be crazy as and blind, but they would never know...because all they did was collect my 33 dollars over the internet, right? SO what exactly did I pay them for?
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They aren't doing but taking your money. You've been scammed and brainwashed, bro.
I could be crazy as and blind, but they would never know...because all they did was collect my 33 dollars over the internet, right? SO what exactly did I pay them for?
You'll not always be able to renew online. You understand that, right? You also understand that the fees you paid support the employees, materials, and facilities necessary to license drivers.

They just took your money for a license that you don't need or want. That's all on you.
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They aren't doing but taking your money. You've been scammed and brainwashed, bro.
I could be crazy as and blind, but they would never know...because all they did was collect my 33 dollars over the internet, right? SO what exactly did I pay them for?
You probably don't remember this, but we used to have to stand in a long line to get a renewal. The online renewal reduced the wait at the DMV. The online renewal also helped out the urges to choke the out of Danisha that took her sweet as time doing a very remedial job. The thing is, the fees aren't that much and it all goes to making sure Julio is a legal driver, or granny is fit to drive. The buildings, Ac, saleries, and the computer network they have to have to keep it all straight costs money. You don't have to drive Shelly. Grab a bike and join Ivan in his crusade. Let me ask you something shelly. Who do you think should pay for all this? Do you think it should be a free for all? insurance (that database is also paid for by the state) and let everyone do what they want without penalty?
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You'll not always be able to renew online. You understand that, right? You also understand that the fees you paid support the employees, materials, and facilities necessary to license drivers.
So why did I have to renew at all this time? Only logical explanation is more money for the fat, lazy, openly rude, liberal behind the counter that would otherwise be milking out unemployment.

I already paid for a license the first time, I pay registration, sales tax, tag fees, title fees, tickets, ect...how much money do these need to operate?
Charging a "renewal fee" when they aren't even requiring me to come in and nothing has changed(even if it had, they don't verify anything)...so why the should I have to pay a renewal fee? Did it ever occur to you that maybe their organization is too large? Perhaps if they trimmed back on fat lazy behind the counter, everyone would only have to renew every twelve years, when there actually is a valid excuse to come into the office and take a vision test, ect...
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Let me ask you something shelly. Who do you think should pay for all this? Do you think it should be a free for all? insurance (that database is also paid for by the state) and let everyone do what they want without penalty?
No what I think is that requiring me to renew, when they aren't requiring me to take any additional testing to prove I am fit to drive, is a waste of my time and tax money.
If granny needs a new vision test, that's fine charge her for it. If you need to spend money making sure Julio is a citizen charge his extra for that.
But trying to justify a "renewal fee" when all they are doing is collecting my money is a crock of .
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So why did I have to renew at all this time? Only logical explanation is more money for the fat, lazy, openly rude, liberal behind the counter that would otherwise be milking out unemployment.

I already paid for a license the first time, I pay registration, sales tax, tag fees, title fees, tickets, ect...how much money do these need to operate?
Charging a "renewal fee" when they aren't even requiring me to come in and nothing has changed(even if it had, they don't verify anything)...so why the should I have to pay a renewal fee? Did it ever occur to you that maybe their organization is too large? Perhaps if they trimmed back on fat lazy behind the counter, everyone would only have to renew every twelve years, when there actually is a valid excuse to come into the office and take a vision test, ect...
Too large? Next time you have to renew in person don't reserve a spot online and let us know how long your have to wait.

How far do you think your $33 goes? State employees eat everyday just like you. Maybe you'd be happier to have your income taxed by the state. Maybe you'd be happier if you just got the out.
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I'll gladly pay a couple bucks a year to have the services we have. The renewal is to make sure you are still current on the requirements set forth to be a legal driver. You don't like it get with Ivan for info on public transportation, a bicycle, and some good taco spots.
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Too large? Next time you have to renew in person don't reserve a spot online and let us know how long your have to wait.


Gee let's see...if they didn't have people showing up for a bunch of useless , like renewals for no other reason than to give them 33 dollars, the lines would be about half as long right?
Do you know what they would do at that point? Cut the building size in half, because they don't give a about you, or your time. It's all about the money for the fat, rude, lazy behind the counter.

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How far do you think your $33 goes? State employees eat everyday just like you.
What about the 70 a year for registration that requires nothing other than me entering my card info into the computer and them sending me a piece of paper?
How about the thousands of tax dollars I have paid on vehicles over the years?
Tag fees?
BS tickets?

33 bucks is a drop in the bucket, but it's a drop I shouldn't have to pay on top of the thousands I already give them. Enough is enough.

Also when you times 33 bucks by the 27 million people living in Texas, I'd say it goes pretty far.
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I'll gladly pay a couple bucks a year to have the services we have. The renewal is to make sure you are still current on the requirements set forth to be a legal driver.
So in this instance what effort did they make to verify that I'm current on my requirements to be a driver?

What you're saying sounds good, only they are hitting you up for money and not verifying .
I'd say it's a double form of taxation, but when you factor in all their other BS, it's pretty much quintuple form of taxation.
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So in this instance what effort did they make to verify that I'm current on my requirements to be a driver?

What you're saying sounds good, only they are hitting you up for money and not verifying .
I'd say it's a double form of taxation, but when you factor in all their other BS, it's pretty much quintuple form of taxation.
They are verifying your address and that you had $33.

The entire population of Texas neither drives nor pays taxes. How much does it cost just to maintain and build roads? That grass doesn't mow itself.

You should find a state that treats you better. Buh bye
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So in this instance what effort did they make to verify that I'm current on my requirements to be a driver?

What you're saying sounds good, only they are hitting you up for money and not verifying .
I'd say it's a double form of taxation, but when you factor in all their other BS, it's pretty much quintuple form of taxation.
They do. Do you have your new license yet? If you don't have all the requirements, they will be sending you a letter instead of your new license. Hope you insurance and no unpaid tickets or you won't be getting g for your $30.
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They do. Do you have your new license yet? If you don't have all the requirements, they will be sending you a letter instead of your new license. Hope you insurance and no unpaid tickets or you won't be getting g for your $30.
Really, so it costs them 33 dollars to find out if I have unpaid tickets and insurance? I'm pretty sure if they are paying a person to check on that, they could replace them with a computer program
Can you explain how it costs them 25 dollars to check on that with a car and only 8 dollars for a motorcycle?
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Strange how Arizona has roads, DMV's buildings, employees, but no drivers license renewal. How do they pay for it Bevo? You sending Arizona money so they can keep their jobs?
They absolutely have a renewal. License is good for 5 yrs and there is no online renewal. You have to go wait in line. Arizona doesn't even come close to the infrastructure we have. Try again...
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