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Old 06-29-2007, 11:14 PM   #1
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What bike?

Was wondering what bike to get, to get in to sumo's. It needs to be a honda and what do you think about the drz400sm? I want a bike that is not high maint. and that is not slow. I also want to ride a lot of wheelies on and do some jumping, and woods riding. I herd the crf450 is high maint. I was leaning more to the 650r and is the 650l any good.
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:29 AM   #2
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drz is a suzuki I think? I had a drz400 it was a monster, never had a problem.
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Yeah if it has to be a Honda then you don't want the DRZ.

If you are planning to do pavement riding and don't mind doing all the conversions to license it then the 650R is a blast. You can do anything you want with that bike. It was built to race off road so it can take all the abuse you can give it. It requires almost no maintainence. It has so much power and and torque for its weight that if you gear it right you can cruise the highway at 90 mph all day long and run it up to 120-130 pretty easy (if you were so inclined to be breaking the law that way).

I don't think there is another bike out there that is as offroad race ready, has as much power and torque, and is as proven maintanance free and bullet proof. The biggest negative is you'll have to add to it to make it street ready if that's what you want it for.
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drz is a suzuki I think? I had a drz400 it was a monster, never had a problem.
Yeah I now its a suki. But the sm seem's like it would be heavier and I've heard that it is over weight and under powered. I like honda! I am starting to like the 650r. I've been on supermotojunkie and looking at pics they have of the modded 650's=nice!
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DO the CRF 450!! Sickness and the 650 will never touch it on the track. It will rip your arms off and beat you with the stumps. Monster power to weight, and lots of good aftermarket go fast goodies....... Look at what the AMA Supermoto guys are running and you won't see an XR in there anywhere.
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if u want to ride streets i think the crf450x is geared for street

c0rey got one with some motard tires , its sick

i want to scoop up a wr250 or 450 one of these days since a used 450x is harder to find
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Now I'm undecided again.
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DO the CRF 450!! Sickness and the 650 will never touch it on the track. It will rip your arms off and beat you with the stumps. Monster power to weight, and lots of good aftermarket go fast goodies....... Look at what the AMA Supermoto guys are running and you won't see an XR in there anywhere.
He's right if you want to race on the track the CRF450X is undoubtedly the best choice. The 650r has more weight but is better on the rode because of it's extra weight. Also it has more torque than the 450 which means you can gear it way up for high speed on the highway and still have lots of low end torque for getting off the start. The X won't do that on the road and gets pretty uncomfortable on the highway around traffic. You just have to choose which you think you'll be doing the most.

If you think you'll have it on the road a lot the 650R, if you plan to race SM the 450X but you'll have much higher maintance.
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More off road and playing around than anything and would be riding wheelies in lots. Also would like to do some 50 rides with josh302.
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the 450 is fast as , i had one, scared me, scared me to death
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More off road and playing around than anything and would be riding wheelies in lots. Also would like to do some 50 rides with josh302.
Then the 450X is probably the one for you. It will cost you though.
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Then the 450X is probably the one for you. It will cost you though.
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He's right if you want to race on the track the CRF450X is undoubtedly the best choice. The 650r has more weight but is better on the rode because of it's extra weight. Also it has more torque than the 450 which means you can gear it way up for high speed on the highway and still have lots of low end torque for getting off the start. The X won't do that on the road and gets pretty uncomfortable on the highway around traffic. You just have to choose which you think you'll be doing the most.

If you think you'll have it on the road a lot the 650R, if you plan to race SM the 450X but you'll have much higher maintance.
What kindof riding are you looking to do maxtrax?

for the track, the 450R appears to be the better choice...lighter (no starter, battery, and etc electrical system), hotter motor, smaller gas tank and some other stuff. it does lack the wide ratio gearbox of the X model though, which is sometimes a problem. you have to gear the outta the final drive.

it depends on how much time and what type of useage ur going to be putting on the motor. the 450R's (and X's too i believe) will need frequent maintenance, esp when ridden on the street. i'm talking about at least weekly oil changes for engine and the tranny oil...running good oils...not the cheap stuff. you must keep an eye on the valves. the stock intakes will go out, so you need to keep an eye on them and check clearances regularly. the aftermarket SS valves appear to be much more reliable. That's just the tip to keep an eye on. Dealing with geting a 450R legal on the street is not super cheap either...there's another thread in here about a guy building up a 450 for street use. I don't think that high performance and low maintenance really go hand in hand...its all compromises.

i'm currently building up a 450R. there's a slew of parts downstairs in teh garage with more on the way, a worn out crankshaft, and freshly rebuild head sittin next to me here. even moderately build crf motors will tear up a 450 kitted DRZ. I'm hoping to push about 57hp when all buttoned up. Not really the time that i wanted to rebuild, but what can ya do.

there's lots of info over at TT that i would read up on if i was you. probably about 50 threads of people askign the same questions as you, with plenty of suggestions. my .02
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The nice thing about the 450x is that is has a lighting coil on the bike so you will not have to rig one up. You need to look at oil capacity for riding on the street. Most of the "race" bikes need the oil changed every other ride. They only hold about a quart or a quart and a half of oil. I ran a KTM 525 and had a oil cooler on it to hold a extra quart. That bike was alot of fun and you can find them at a good price. 6speed gear box helped out on the street and the long straights at some of the tracks. I have a DRZ that we turned into a SM right before Suzuki released theirs. Nothing wrong with them, rock solid bikes. Change the head gasket to the off road set up and you will get more power out of it. Just my 2cents
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Thanks for the info every one. I will take my time when buying my tard. Too. many choices.
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