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Old 07-25-2015, 12:01 PM   #141
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If you had some real life experience combined with your theory I'd be more open but you're just repeating what you read.

If TMAX has some info or first hand experience to share I'm all ears. The entire thread I've made the assertion you should USE BOTH YOUR BRAKES for maximum stopping power, but the front brake does more of the work than the rear. I've ridden different styles of bikes with very different weight distributions and that holds true for them all. You're sitting here with your calculator in hand trying to convince me there is a bike out there that relies more heavily on the rear brake, solely based on your theory of it

Just accept it, why is it so hard for you engineers?
then we got lost in translation, both are better.
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Old 07-25-2015, 12:02 PM   #142
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I've logged 61.5k to date...on about 15 or so bikes. How many more shoulf I shoot for before I find one where the rear brake works better?
nver said rear brakes are better.

anyways you need more miles noobie

and youll always be my noob
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Old 07-25-2015, 12:07 PM   #143
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then we got lost in translation, both are better.

That's what I'm saying but Repth found us a hypothetical motorcycle with a 250" wheelbase, 1" ground clearance, a 99:1 weight bias to the rear, and a 75* rake angle where the rear brakes work better than the front
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I've logged 61.5k to date...on about 15 or so bikes. How many more shoulf I shoot for before I find one where the rear brake works better?
Tmax likes to take the unconventional path on everything. You can't take Tmax serious. EVER... Just like Bevo, you'll lose you mind if you let him suck you in. Lol
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If you had some real life experience combined with your theory I'd be more open but you're just repeating what you read.

If TMAX has some info or first hand experience to share I'm all ears. The entire thread I've made the assertion you should USE BOTH YOUR BRAKES for maximum stopping power, but the front brake does more of the work than the rear. I've ridden different styles of bikes with very different weight distributions and that holds true for them all. You're sitting here with your calculator in hand trying to convince me there is a bike out there that relies more heavily on the rear brake, solely based on your theory of it

Just accept it, why is it so hard for you engineers?
It's not a theory. There is proof in this thread. I have pointed you towards it and you have ignored it. Of course you should use both brakes--nobody is retarded enough to think otherwise. Your assertion that the front brake does more of the work is normally (but not always) correct. How is that so difficult to understand?
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It's not a theory. There is proof in this thread. I have pointed you towards it and you have ignored it. Of course you should use both brakes--nobody is retarded enough to think otherwise. Your assertion that the front brake does more of the work is normally (but not always) correct. How is that so difficult to understand?

So what make and model motorcycle has a rear brake that does more work?
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I think the real question here is advocating front or rear braking only. Even on a bike with a rear biased COM, combined braking will ALWAYS stop a bike faster. PERIOD!!!!! I have been riding for 39 years, everything from dirt, cruisers, crotch rockets, choppers, etc.... They all stopped better with combined braking.
Oh yeah, absolutely. Nobody is debating that. Even if someone wanted to debate it, they could just look at the PDF you posted. Which was a good read by the way, thanks for posting it.
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So what make and model motorcycle has a rear brake that does more work?
any Harley riders here? ive ridden a couple and the rear did seem more responsive.
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So what make and model motorcycle has a rear brake that does more work?
Did you look at the PDF like I told you to? The bike he is using shows that the rear brake is more effective for the first 1/3 of the bikes total braking capacity before locking the wheels.
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Oh yeah, absolutely. Nobody is debating that. Even if someone wanted to debate it, they could just look at the PDF you posted. Which was a good read by the way, thanks for posting it.
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That's what I'm saying but Repth found us a hypothetical motorcycle with a 250" wheelbase, 1" ground clearance, a 99:1 weight bias to the rear, and a 75* rake angle where the rear brakes work better than the front
There you go again. Rake angle still makes no difference. Ground clearance and wheelbase are likewise irrelevant. Just proving you have no understanding of the issue. The weight bias is the only valid part of what you said, and it sure doesn't have to be that biased to notice a tactile difference.
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Did you look at the PDF like I told you to? The bike he is using shows that the rear brake is more effective for the first 1/3 of the bikes total braking capacity before locking the wheels.
What page is it on?

And still haven't told me what make and model is it?
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Here's a tip: ride some other bikes, get seat time on different styles. You've ridden how many bikes? How many miles hAve you logged on bikes? How many tracks have you been to? Then get back with me on how braking works for motorcycles
How many tracks have you rode at? According to this post, you haven't been to any

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What page is it on?

And still haven't told me what make and model is it?
Page 6. It's a 1994 BMW. He doesn't list the model, at least not that I saw.
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Wednesday night as a matter of fact. I did not know I was gay until I met him!
If Chris is gay, then his wife is the hottest dude I've ever met!

I also hear he will do just about anything for half a million dollars.
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I met you Thursday night too. Isn't it time for your third nap?
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