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Old 07-25-2015, 10:21 AM   #121
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so like has been stated by the front brake only crowd, start on the front the forks will compress and the back end will start coming up.
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Angry because you realize your theoretical situations don't apply to the real world?

Bottom line, your front brakes do the work. But if you insist otherwise have fun with that
No, you just keep spewing bullshit generalizations and trying to back them up with physics and getting it all wrong. It's like you think I'm sitting here advocating that people don't use their front brake, or that front brakes don't work better under hard braking, or that the front brake will always work better on sport bikes with high CoM regardless of how soft the braking is. You just made a generalization which is still untrue and you lack the understanding of physics to even explain why you think that it is always true. Read the PDF. Look at the first graph. The best way to explain it is this: for total values over .65 (we're talking about the numbers next to the curve), the wheels are locked up and thus it's totally irrelevant to consider any increased braking force after that because the wheels are locked. Under values of ~.2, the rear brake is more effective (the curve is closed to the x axis than the y axis). So for 1/3 the braking force the bike is capable of, the rear brake is more effective.

I'm not trying to convince people that their rear brake should be their go-to. I'm just saying that for some bikes under some conditions of acceleration there will be a higher possible stopping power from the rear than the front, and it is fully evident in that study just in case the physics is not intuitive about why a lower and more rearward CoM would lead to less load shift.

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Old 07-25-2015, 10:57 AM   #124
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No, you just keep spewing bullshit generalizations and trying to back them up with physics and getting it all wrong. It's like you think I'm sitting here advocating that people don't use their front brake, or that front brakes don't work better under hard braking, or that the front brake will always work better on sport bikes with high CoM regardless of how soft the braking is. You just made a generalization which is still untrue and you lack the understanding of physics to even explain why you think that it is always true. Read the PDF. Look at the first graph. The best way to explain it is this: for total values over .65 (we're talking about the numbers next to the curve), the wheels are locked up and thus it's totally irrelevant to consider any increased braking force after that because the wheels are locked. Under values of ~.2, the rear brake is more effective (the curve is closed to the x axis than the y axis). So for 1/3 the braking force the bike is capable of, the rear brake is more effective.

I'm not trying to convince people that their rear brake should be their go-to. I'm just saying that for some bikes under some conditions of acceleration there will be a higher possible stopping power from the rear than the front, and it is fully evident in that study just in case the physics is not intuitive about why a lower and more rearward CoM would lead to less load shift.

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You sound like an engineer. Always going to theoretical situations and trying to calculate how it all works. And then you're hurt when people tell you something else.

Here's a tip: ride some other bikes, get seat time on different styles. You've ridden how many bikes? How many miles hAve you logged on bikes? How many tracks have you been to? Then get back with me on how braking works for motorcycles

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Old 07-25-2015, 11:31 AM   #129
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You sound like an engineer. Always going to theoretical situations and trying to calculate how it all works. And then you're hurt when people tell you something else.

Here's a tip: ride some other bikes, get seat time on different styles. You've ridden how many bikes? How many miles hAve you logged on bikes? How many tracks have you been to? Then get back with me on how braking works for motorcycles
haha you are so wrong. as in wrong bout the rear brake
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Enlighten me
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Not that I agree with Tmax, but it's pretty clear you have no desire to be enlightened. Someone can lay the facts right out on the table and your response will be "lol guess you should ride more bikes noob" and defer to your own experience as absolute truth, not possibly leaving open the possibility that there are scenarios where your instincts may actually be wrong.
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No, you just keep spewing bullshit generalizations and trying to back them up with physics and getting it all wrong. It's like you think I'm sitting here advocating that people don't use their front brake, or that front brakes don't work better under hard braking, or that the front brake will always work better on sport bikes with high CoM regardless of how soft the braking is. You just made a generalization which is still untrue and you lack the understanding of physics to even explain why you think that it is always true. Read the PDF. Look at the first graph. The best way to explain it is this: for total values over .65 (we're talking about the numbers next to the curve), the wheels are locked up and thus it's totally irrelevant to consider any increased braking force after that because the wheels are locked. Under values of ~.2, the rear brake is more effective (the curve is closed to the x axis than the y axis). So for 1/3 the braking force the bike is capable of, the rear brake is more effective.

I'm not trying to convince people that their rear brake should be their go-to. I'm just saying that for some bikes under some conditions of acceleration there will be a higher possible stopping power from the rear than the front, and it is fully evident in that study just in case the physics is not intuitive about why a lower and more rearward CoM would lead to less load shift.

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You are correct, but your argument excludes 99.9% of the vehicles on the road. Lol
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Not that I agree with Tmax, but it's pretty clear you have no desire to be enlightened. Someone can lay the facts right out on the table and your response will be "lol guess you should ride more bikes noob" and defer to your own experience as absolute truth, not possibly leaving open the possibility that there are scenarios where your instincts may actually be wrong.
I think the real question here is advocating front or rear braking only. Even on a bike with a rear biased COM, combined braking will ALWAYS stop a bike faster. PERIOD!!!!! I have been riding for 39 years, everything from dirt, cruisers, crotch rockets, choppers, etc.... They all stopped better with combined braking.
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Not that I agree with Tmax, but it's pretty clear you have no desire to be enlightened. Someone can lay the facts right out on the table and your response will be "lol guess you should ride more bikes noob" and defer to your own experience as absolute truth, not possibly leaving open the possibility that there are scenarios where your instincts may actually be wrong.

If you had some real life experience combined with your theory I'd be more open but you're just repeating what you read.

If TMAX has some info or first hand experience to share I'm all ears. The entire thread I've made the assertion you should USE BOTH YOUR BRAKES for maximum stopping power, but the front brake does more of the work than the rear. I've ridden different styles of bikes with very different weight distributions and that holds true for them all. You're sitting here with your calculator in hand trying to convince me there is a bike out there that relies more heavily on the rear brake, solely based on your theory of it

Just accept it, why is it so hard for you engineers?
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Not that I agree with Tmax, but it's pretty clear you have no desire to be enlightened. Someone can lay the facts right out on the table and your response will be "lol guess you should ride more bikes noob" and defer to your own experience as absolute truth, not possibly leaving open the possibility that there are scenarios where your instincts may actually be wrong.
whats not to agree with? if you dont then you are wrong
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I've logged 61.5k to date...on about 15 or so bikes. How many more shoulf I shoot for before I find one where the rear brake works better?
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