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Old 07-24-2015, 11:48 PM   #101
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I think all of us can agree that combined front and rear braking is probably the best method of safely reducing speed on a motorcycle. One thing I tell newbs is to go to a parking lot and practice panic braking before they have to do it on the street. There is a time for rear braking only: when you want to kick the rear out for an obstacle or for fun. Arguing about center of mass on one particular style of motorcycle seems ridiculous to me. Most people lack any meaningful education when it comes to driving or riding. Going back to the OP. I hope you realize that Law Enforcement does monitor these sights and based on hat I saw in the video you have left yourself wide open for prosecution. Riding like that in a neighborhood is very dangerous to the residents and is one reason people put nails and debris in corners and why speed bumps are erected. Don't ride like a tool and expect any sympathy when you almost win a Darwin Award.
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And you refuse to back up any of your purported knowledge. Welcome to the real world where people aren't baffled by bullshit.
Here's an equivalent of what is happening right now:

You: Oh yeah? Well if this shape is a triangle, show me where it says that!
Me: It has three sides.
You: Typical, not answering the question. Show me where it says it's a triangle.
Me: When a shape has three sides, by definition it is a triangle. It doesn't spell that out anywhere because that concept is so basic that if you don't have a working knowledge of the fact that a shape with three sides is a triangle, you're not even qualified to be having this discussion.
You: Nobody believes your bullshit.

You don't understand that I answered your question like three times and I'm not giving you a whole physics lesson so that you can understand it. I assumed when you wanted to know more about it and when I saw your stack of books that you had at least an elementary understanding of physics. Not only do you not have such a basic understanding, but you refuse to acknowledge your lack of understanding of the subject in its entirety.

Sudo hit the nail on the head. I haven't read your stack of books, so for all I know they are very technical and rooted in physics and do not provide sweeping generalizations that may be false in some situations. But it appears that either they are in fact made of hundreds of "rules of thumb" with no technical explanation for why, or you do not care or are incapable of understanding such explanations.
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Old 07-25-2015, 08:15 AM   #104
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Repth, take off your engineer hat and put on your designer. There isn't a vehicle out there that doesn't rely on the front brakes as primary stopping power. Sure we can talk theoretical all day long and even find some fandangled equation to prove you are right on paper, but it's just not practical on the street.
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Repth, take off your engineer hat and put on your designer. There isn't a vehicle out there that doesn't rely on the front brakes as primary stopping power. Sure we can talk theoretical all day long and even find some fandangled equation to prove you are right on paper, but it's just not practical on the street.
It is practical under certain conditions, but it's not necessarily intuitive.

Ultimately, at the end of the day, even a moderately skilled rider will be able to feel what is happening with the bike and modulate his front and rear brakes accordingly.
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i didnt know this was a braking conversation.

rear then front best emergency braking application. period.

however its easier just to use front brakes for some cause they are so scared to lock up the rear.

again front only riders well just dont ride enough.

using rear before front always is a good rule on the street to develop a habit for when emergency braking does arise. noobs and vets that ride like noobs
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I've been to plenty of tracks and if this discussion was strictly about sportbikes you would be correct.

However I've ridden hundreds of bikes and some cruiser bikes do not get most of their braking from the front and it's painfully obvious. The amount of braking force you can apply is directly related to the amount available traction. A chopper front tire with very little weight on it will lock up way before the rear.

That even more mind blowing that youre a track rider and you still don't get it.

A chopper (the big dog I rode) would lock the front more easily, but that still didn't take away from the fact that the front brakes did the work. Why would they have a 320mm rotor up front vs a 270mm? In the rear....hmmm...maybe they designed it so you should use the front for stopping power?
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That even more mind blowing that youre a track rider and you still don't get it.

A chopper (the big dog I rode) would lock the front more easily, but that still didn't take away from the fact that the front brakes did the work. Why would they have a 320mm rotor up front vs a 270mm? In the rear....hmmm...maybe they designed it so you should use the front for stopping power?
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i didnt know this was a braking conversation.

rear then front best emergency braking application. period.

however its easier just to use front brakes for some cause they are so scared to lock up the rear.

again front only riders well just dont ride enough.

using rear before front always is a good rule on the street to develop a habit for when emergency braking does arise. noobs and vets that ride like noobs
WTF????
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A real chopper has no front brakes. Perdiod, end of subject.

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Angry because you realize your theoretical situations don't apply to the real world?

Bottom line, your front brakes do the work. But if you insist otherwise have fun with that
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That even more mind blowing that youre a track rider and you still don't get it.

A chopper (the big dog I rode) would lock the front more easily, but that still didn't take away from the fact that the front brakes did the work. Why would they have a 320mm rotor up front vs a 270mm? In the rear....hmmm...maybe they designed it so you should use the front for stopping power?
sound like a tracker. shoot why even have rear brakes.
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