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Old 07-10-2015, 02:23 PM   #81
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I agree that changing the front tire angle is the only thing that will change the direction of travel, but I also believe that at lower speeds the front tire angle can be affected by body weight shifts.
Of course it can if the steering is loose enough.. but that doesn't change the fact you are using the front tire to "turn"

I rode 15-20 miles down Hwy 16 back into Bandera with no hands.... after I loosened the damper up.. first couple turns almost f-d up because it was too tight to let the steering flop!
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Old 07-10-2015, 02:26 PM   #82
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Of course it can if the steering is loose enough.. but that doesn't change the fact you are using the front tire to "turn"
Agree 100%.

Just countering your comment that initiating that turn requires bar input. Technically, it can be initiated without direct bar input, but I supposed you could consider it indirect bar input.

Just playing devil's advocate for the sake of conversation.
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Old 07-10-2015, 02:29 PM   #83
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Agree 100%.

Just countering your comment that initiating that turn requires bar input. Technically, it can be initiated without direct bar input, but I supposed you could consider it indirect bar input.

Just playing devil's advocate for the sake of conversation.
Point taken.. thats what I was referring to when I mentioned tightening the damper up and trying to turn with your hands off the bars.
That will give you a very quick and evident example that unless the wheel moves the bike won't turn much if at all.

The fun thing is seeing the light bulb go off when people actually aggressively countersteer and see how easy the bike snaps into a turn.
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Old 07-10-2015, 02:33 PM   #84
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Point taken.. thats what I was referring to when I mentioned tightening the damper up and trying to turn with your hands off the bars.
That will give you a very quick and evident example that unless the wheel moves the bike won't turn much if at all.

The fun thing is seeing the light bulb go off when people actually aggressively countersteer and see how easy the bike snaps into a turn.
Quickest way to burn off chicken strips is to go out and aggressively countersteer without leaning at all. Not at all the most efficient way to get through a turn, but you get max lean angle!
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So how do you steer while doing a wheelie??
let the games begin again
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I agree that changing the front tire angle is the only thing that will change the direction of travel, but I also believe that at lower speeds the front tire angle can be affected by body weight shifts.
By front tire angle I mean in how it's changed with the bars.
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So how do you steer while doing a wheelie??
let the games begin again
I stick my feet out and push off the cars around me when I whoolie
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You notice that the bike is going so slow that it's not countersteering. At speed it will countersteer by itself too. I'd like to see you steer a bike using your body alone with a bar locked tight by a damper.

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So how do you steer while doing a wheelie??
let the games begin again
I'll give you $1000.00 cash if you can do a wheelie through a turn at double the 40 mph posted speed
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I don't think you ever mentioned locking the bars, but he is still turning it
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I don't think you ever mentioned locking the bars, but he is still turning it
Well, maybe you never ride past the countersteering tipping point.
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well congratufuckinglations

your just a genius

Someone give this guy a nobel peace prize or something
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Well, maybe you never ride past the countersteering tipping point.
I'll be giving you the bird as I pass you in every corner.

well call it bevo throws out the anchor
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well congratufuckinglations

your just a genius

Someone give this guy a nobel peace prize or something
Hey, people believe all kinds of stupid , like the Earth was the center of the Universe, that Apollo carried the Sun across the sky in his chariot, that their weight makes their bike turn on the track or at high speeds on the street.
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I'll be giving you the bird as I pass you in every corner.

well call it bevo throws out the anchor
Come throw me the bird tomorrow, make sure you do it hands free. Just hold onto the bike with your knees
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Don't you do track days?
Yup, not tomorrow. Don't you ride the street?
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