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Old 07-10-2015, 09:42 AM   #61
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He was trying to zig zag in and out of traffic?
yeah, he zagged when he should have zigged.
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It looked to me like possibly instead of focusing on finishing the turn and staying in his lane he started checking for cars on his left and the bike just went where he was looking. He got fixated on the truck and rode right into it.
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The bike doesn't give a about what your body is doing. The only thing that turns a bike is force exerted on the bars. Perhaps you're not familiar with Keith Code's no BS bike.

Stand up on the seat and see how much body leaning turns a bike.

If the rider in the video had applied more force to the bars, the bike would have turned.
ding ding ding. Exactly.

Had nothing to to do with too much throttle either.. that turn is easy at twice the speed they were going.
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Old 07-10-2015, 11:21 AM   #64
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ding ding ding. Exactly.

Had nothing to to do with too much throttle either.. that turn is easy at twice the speed they were going.
Not too much throttle for the bike, but too much throttle for the fool on it
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The bike doesn't give a about what your body is doing. The only thing that turns a bike is force exerted on the bars. Perhaps you're not familiar with Keith Code's no BS bike.

Stand up on the seat and see how much body leaning turns a bike.

If the rider in the video had applied more force to the bars, the bike would have turned.

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So you are saying you can only turn a bike with bar input?? I knew those track instructors had it wrong.

you must be trolling

I agree more force to the right bar would have saved him, but a quick shift from the left side of his bike to the right would have saved him too, in more ways than one.
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Not too much throttle for the bike, but too much throttle for the fool on it
This, I agree with
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So you are saying you can only turn a bike with bar input?? I knew those track instructors had it wrong.

you must be trolling

I agree more force to the right bar would have saved him, but a quick shift from the left side of his bike to the right would have saved him too, in more ways than one.
Yep. Bar input, whether conscious or not, is the only thing that makes a bike change direction.
Body steering is a myth. The movement of the body causes the bars to turn.
Crank your damper up to max and see how the bike responds.
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So you are saying you can only turn a bike with bar input?? I knew those track instructors had it wrong.

you must be trolling

I agree more force to the right bar would have saved him, but a quick shift from the left side of his bike to the right would have saved him too, in more ways than one.
Who are your instructors? Dodge a pothole at the last second at 60+mph without using the bar and let me know how that works out for you?

I can do a demonstration any weekend you like. Whatcha doing tomorrow?
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The bike doesn't give a about what your body is doing. The only thing that turns a bike is force exerted on the bars. Perhaps you're not familiar with Keith Code's no BS bike.

Stand up on the seat and see how much body leaning turns a bike.

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Ok, well try going around the track at at a decent pace with your glued to the seat or hang off the wrong side. By all means have someone behind you with a gopro.
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Yep. Bar input, whether conscious or not, is the only thing that makes a bike change direction.
Body steering is a myth. The movement of the body causes the bars to turn.
This I'll agree with, but Yall are trying to make it out like if you move your body (weight) nothing will happen.
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Ok, well try going around the track at at a decent pace with your glued to the seat or hang off the wrong side. By all means have someone behind you with a gopro.
1. Was the OP video taken on a track?
2. You do realize (or maybe you don't) that hanging off only affects lean angle and that the State of Mexico reports infractions by TDL holders to Texas?
3. I hang off when it's appropriate which is often
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Who are your instructors? Dodge a pothole at the last second at 60+mph without using the bar and let me know how that works out for you?

I can do a demonstration any weekend you like. Whatcha doing tomorrow?
Demonstrating how to dodge potholes in Houston is not on my todo list for tomorrow. Sorry.
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This I'll agree with, but Yall are trying to make it out like if you move your body (weight) nothing will happen.
Lean angle will increase or decrease with body position, but that doesn't affect the turning radius. The angle of the front tire changes that radius.

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In the middle of a long sweeper, stay perpendicular to the seat. Now slowly start to hang off. If you maintain your line the only thing that will change is the lean angle. The bike's lean angle will decrease. That's the only thing that changes.
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Demonstrating how to dodge potholes in Houston is not on my todo list for tomorrow. Sorry.
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Lean angle and "turning" a bike are two seperate things.
To change a bikes direction you must change the slip angle of the front tire.

Speed thru a given radius equals a given lean angle to counteract the centrifugal forces trying to stand the bike up. Ground clearance is set, so is max lean angle.
To get more lean angle (speed) you lower the center of gravity, i.e. hang off. Thus allowing the bike to have less angle for a given speed, or more speed at max angle.

Regardless of the bike angle or body position, to initiate the turn or change lines mid turn requires changing the front tire angles, i.e. bar input.
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Lean angle and "turning" a bike are two seperate things.
To change a bikes direction you must change the slip angle of the front tire.

Speed thru a given radius equals a given lean angle to counteract the centrifugal forces trying to stand the bike up. Ground clearance is set, so is max lean angle.
To get more lean angle (speed) you lower the center of gravity, i.e. hang off.

Regardless of the bike angle or body position, to initiate the turn or change lines mid turn requires changing the front tire angles, i.e. bar input.
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Come to ok, I'll teach ya how to dodge a pothole or jump one if necessary
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Lean angle and "turning" a bike are two seperate things.
To change a bikes direction you must change the slip angle of the front tire.

Speed thru a given radius equals a given lean angle to counteract the centrifugal forces trying to stand the bike up. Ground clearance is set, so is max lean angle.
To get more lean angle (speed) you lower the center of gravity, i.e. hang off. Thus allowing the bike to have less angle for a given speed, or more speed at max angle.

Regardless of the bike angle or body position, to initiate the turn or change lines mid turn requires changing the front tire angles, i.e. bar input.
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Indeed!
I agree that changing the front tire angle is the only thing that will change the direction of travel, but I also believe that at lower speeds the front tire angle can be affected by body weight shifts.
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