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Old 06-29-2015, 02:52 PM   #21
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I would say a steering damper is a MUST HAVE, I've seen riders crash from a tank slapper.
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I would say a steering damper is a MUST HAVE, I've seen riders crash from a tank slapper.
yeah totally agree. especially on the r6 the front end gets pretty crazy
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Don't worry about lap times, learn the race line at each track you go to and focus on hitting all the apex's. If you find yourself blowing the line and not hitting the apex's, then slow down and keep working until you can turn good laps without making any mistakes. Use the entire day to build your speed up, walk your braking markers in a little bit each session. As well as getting on the throttle little quicker each session.In other words don't try to make huge leaps each lap, build up to it, slowly.
I agree with this 100%, but me being me I like knowing my lap times. If you use a lap timer the right way it's fine. If you do get one then don't look at it while you're riding. Ride the way Yorke described and check after the sessio or at the end of the day. Another way to track your progress is take gopro footage and when you watch it and review your riding you can also time the laps.

The bolded part is extremely important.
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I agree with this 100%, but me being me I like knowing my lap times. If you use a lap timer the right way it's fine. If you do get one then don't look at it while you're riding. Ride the way Yorke described and check after the sessio or at the end of the day. Another way to track your progress is take gopro footage and when you watch it and review your riding you can also time the laps.

The bolded part is extremely important.
YES! That's what I do, I just gopro each session and then go home and time my laps while watching the video. A lap timer is a good way to track progress, just don't focus on it and let it affect your mood.
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I would say a steering damper is a MUST HAVE, I've seen riders crash from a tank slapper.
Opinions on a forum this size are always going to be different. But that is what they are. I have done many track days. None of the two bikes I track (Brutale and F3) have steering dampers. I remember a couple times on the Brutale when one of those would have been nice, but far from being a MUST HAVE in my case.

A must have to me is common sense. Once you have that, everything else is secondary.
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I agree with this 100%, but me being me I like knowing my lap times. If you use a lap timer the right way it's fine. If you do get one then don't look at it while you're riding. Ride the way Yorke described and check after the sessio or at the end of the day. Another way to track your progress is take gopro footage and when you watch it and review your riding you can also time the laps.

The bolded part is extremely important.
NICE i think i'll do that, time my gopro, all i need is the satisfaction on what i did wrong or right
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Opinions on a forum this size are always going to be different. But that is what they are. I have done many track days. None of the two bikes I track (Brutale and F3) have steering dampers. I remember a couple times on the Brutale when one of those would have been nice, but far from being a MUST HAVE in my case.

A must have to me is common sense. Once you have that, everything else is secondary.
Ya common sense is pretty important, but a cheap device that prevents tank slappers is important from my experience. I saw a guy slide the rear tire and go into an uncontrolled tank slapper up into the front straight wall at TWS (Texas World Speedway) that ended pretty badly for the rider.

Another time a team mate hit the "Gut check" at MSRH on his Triumph 675 and without warning went into a tank slapper that resulted in a wreck. So, one guy never did track days again and the other immediately bought a steering damper.

I don't ride without them, the risk just isn't worth the cost of damage and injury to me.
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Ya common sense is pretty important, but a cheap device that prevents tank slappers is important from my experience. I saw a guy slide the rear tire and go into an uncontrolled tank slapper up into the front straight wall at TWS (Texas World Speedway) that ended pretty badly for the rider.

Another time a team mate hit the "Gut check" at MSRH on his Triumph 675 and without warning went into a tank slapper that resulted in a wreck. So, one guy never did track days again and the other immediately bought a steering damper.

I don't ride without them, the risk just isn't worth the cost of damage and injury to me.
Agree mate on the cost/benefit of this device.

On the other hand, if the guy you mention above had a slide rear tire, his problem was not the steering damper but too much throttle which could have been avoided had the bike had traction control maybe?
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Ya, the guy was riding a little over his head trying to get a tow from Dave Napier. You just let that guy go.
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Ya common sense is pretty important, but a cheap device that prevents tank slappers is important from my experience. I saw a guy slide the rear tire and go into an uncontrolled tank slapper up into the front straight wall at TWS (Texas World Speedway) that ended pretty badly for the rider.

Another time a team mate hit the "Gut check" at MSRH on his Triumph 675 and without warning went into a tank slapper that resulted in a wreck. So, one guy never did track days again and the other immediately bought a steering damper.

I don't ride without them, the risk just isn't worth the cost of damage and injury to me.
Places on the front straight at TWS (Texas World Speedway) are rough and its not uncommon to see the front catch a little air. Same with Gut Check you're hard on the gas for the little kink so the front end is light and you're trying to turn and still accelerate over the bumps. Steering damper really helps but so does

relaxing the death grip on the bars. Holding on too tight can inadvertently puts input into the bars and prevents the bike from tracking true. A coach can help you figure out whether its you or the bike. If you are ramping up incrementally you will notice stuff like that way before it becomes an oh moment. The bike will tell you what it needs as you need it if you take it slow and do the work.

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This is true, if your arms or hands are getting tired, you are gripping too hard.
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I know a lot of people buy steering dampers early on. While I never raced, I was pretty quick everywhere and I never did buy one. I have about everything done to my bike that you can get and still no damper. It's not on the list of something I need for my particular bike.

I haven't seen anyone mention Twist of the Wrist 2. Reading that book early one pays big dividends.
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I know a lot of people buy steering dampers early on. While I never raced, I was pretty quick everywhere and I never did buy one. I have about everything done to my bike that you can get and still no damper. It's not on the list of something I need for my particular bike.

I haven't seen anyone mention Twist of the Wrist 2. Reading that book early one pays big dividends.
Or watch it on youtube for free.
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Ah. Good point. I never watched the video, I read the book.

Btw, TiaTool reminded me that I have a stock electronic damper. It's been good enough thus far.
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On my 01 GSXR 750, I just refreshed the stock damper with thicker oil and it works fine. I am not saying buy the $700.00 Ohlins, but a functioning damper is a good thing to have in my opinion. I race, so I have to have them on my bikes. Good throttle control is always the ultimate goal regardless.

I guess I need to update my Avatar, LOL, that's from my first track day a while back. Says 2 track days, LOL, that's little out of date.
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On my 01 GSXR 750, I just refreshed the stock damper with thicker oil and it works fine. I am not saying buy the $700.00 Ohlins, but a functioning damper is a good thing to have in my opinion. I race, so I have to have them on my bikes. Good throttle control is always the ultimate goal regardless.

I guess I need to update my Avatar, LOL, that's from my first track day a while back. Says 2 track days, LOL, that's little out of date.
The R6 is bad on head shake, you need a damper on there or you're gunna eat if you try to go fast on our bumpy tracks with that bike. you'll be fine in level 1 but try to get one asap. i havent ridden those other bikes brutale or w/e but i doubt that their front end is anything like the R6
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i guess i'll look into a steering damper next year
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Updating to include sliders and case covers....

It's an interesting question. From a safety perspective, the rules are relatively consistent across the orgs. Full leathers, gloves, boots.

On the equipment side, the progression I've seen is something like this:

Level 1
-stock suspension set up for rider weight
-frame sliders
-street/track tires for example the Bridgestone BT003 Ride Smart (racing/street)
-one piece leathers (rentals are available)
-riding boots like sidi's
-gauntlet gloves
-good brake fluid (motul 600, Castrol SRF)

Level 2
-custom ECU (Power Commander) and tune
-full exhaust (headers + slip on)
-conversion from antifreeze to non glycol based coolant
-steering damper
-race tires (but not slicks)
-warmers
-stands
-stainless brake lines
-racing brake pads (vesrah xx or equivalent)
-quick turn throttle
-rear sets
-race plastics
-open trailer

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-full custom suspension
-chain / sprocket
-Slicks
-fuel
-safety wired bike
-tools and spares
-multiple sets of wheels
-slipper clutch
-case covers
-migration from open trailer to enclosed trailer

Track guys and racers... What else?
how much do you think it is going to cost me in each level, without the trailer and hitch stuff and i am not planning on racing or anything competitive. i just want to be a track day guy.
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how much do you think it is going to cost me in each level, without the trailer and hitch stuff and i am not planning on racing or anything competitive. i just want to be a track day guy.
You have a bike, just ride it. As you do more track days and pick up speed you'll start noticing a few things that could be improved upon. Suspension set up right and maybe a steering damper are good starting points. Enjoy it and don't over think it. See you out there!
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