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Old 06-24-2007, 02:41 PM   #1
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Why isnt Mladin in Moto GP?

i dont know all the details of course but why isnt Mladin in moto gp after winning ama 6 times. peeked my curiousity after hearing about Hayden maybe getting a gp ride. has Mladin been offered a gp and just doesnt want it or what?
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Old 06-24-2007, 03:00 PM   #2
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i dont know all the details of course but why isnt Mladin in moto gp after winning ama 6 times. peeked my curiousity after hearing about Hayden maybe getting a gp ride. has Mladin been offered a gp and just doesnt want it or what?

same thing i wondered about spies & duhamel aswell.
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Old 06-24-2007, 03:53 PM   #4
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cause here they get paid great to be at the top of mediocrity.
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They're ALL too big... MotoGP is now for jocky-size guys...
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They're ALL too big... MotoGP is now for jocky-size guys...
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Old 06-24-2007, 04:13 PM   #7
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Mladin rode a Cagiva in '93 when it was still 500GP.

His results weren't that great, but then again neither was the bike he was on.

As far as why he hasn't since?

He's been at the top of his game here, riding with a team that he has a good relationship with, on a bike that he has worked hard to develop.
It would be difficult to expect that kind of situation if he went to Moto GP, and from my understanding, the right deal never really came up.

IMO, neither Nicky or Colin are GP caliber riders. They are very fast, talented racers, but I think they would do better in WSBK or even back in the AMA.


As far as "jockey sized", Rossi is 5' 10", hardly "jockey sized".
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As far as "jockey sized", Rossi is 5' 10", hardly "jockey sized".
yea, but he's a stick figure... In general, I think you'd have to agree that the trend in GP is to go with smaller guys
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That can be said about all racing though..... less ballast....
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yea, but he's a stick figure... In general, I think you'd have to agree that the trend in GP is to go with smaller guys
Both Mladin Chandler did far better then that bike deserved. I think Nicky and Edwards are both gp quality I think Edwards is about the 4 or 5th best rider out there and Nicky just a little behind him. I think that the only reason Spies is likely to go is that he is still small child enough to think he has something to prove. If you ever watched him race against Hopkins you know what I mean. Hopkins is no where near the rider Ben is. All of this is from someone who can't ride for beans
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Both Mladin Chandler did far better then that bike deserved.

Agreed!

As far as Nicky being "GP Quality". I disagree.
He's on one of the top factory bikes, and his best finish to date has been a 7th, and typically more like 8th through 11th, and he has 2 DNF's.
Not would I would expect from a rider on the quality of machinery he is on.

Colin maybe could have done it a couple of years ago, but I'm not sure anymore.
His best finish this year is a 2nd, but previous to that, one 3rd, a 6th and a string of 11th and 12th places, and one DNF.
Once again, definitely not what I would expect from a rider on that quality of equipment.

Don't get me wrong, both Nicky and Colin are great riders, with IMO Colin being the better of the two.

However, I think they would be more competetive in WSBK or AMA.
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I think Colin is doing his job I think Yamaha has "team orders" we all remember the race where Colin rode behind Rossi making the bike 2 meters wide. Look what Colin did with the Aprilia. I don't think Nicky's bike was built for him and just because it is a Honda does not make it the best. It is a little like Colin on the rc51 does anyone think that bike was equal to the Ducs if so where did the number 2 RC51 place??

PS I think Hopkins and Nicky are pretty close.
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Mladin's performance at Miller today was awesome.
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Team orders don't relegate you to 11th place regularly.

While I don't believe the Honda is the "best bike", it is probably one of the most capable on the grid. However, Nicky hasn't proven to be a good enough rider to make it work.
Hopkins has consistently finished ahead of Nicky in every race this season, on a bike that IMO is inferior to the Honda. I believe in that case it is the better rider that is making the difference.

I'm analyzing this with riding impressions and hard numbers like results, not with my heart and who I like or dislike.

If that was the case, Colin would be the best with Stoner right with him.
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Mladin's performance at Miller today was awesome.

Yep! Some great racing going on there.
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Team orders don't relegate you to 11th place regularly.

While I don't believe the Honda is the "best bike", it is probably one of the most capable on the grid. However, Nicky hasn't proven to be a good enough rider to make it work.
Hopkins has consistently finished ahead of Nicky in every race this season, on a bike that IMO is inferior to the Honda. I believe in that case it is the better rider that is making the difference.

I'm analyzing this with riding impressions and hard numbers like results, not with my heart and who I like or dislike.

If that was the case, Colin would be the best with Stoner right with him.
You are quite likely have a better eye then I on quality of riding. I will agree that team orders don't make you finish 11 but they may ask you to ride a tire that was to be the second pick of the lead rider. I feel the yamahas are maybe the 6 to 8th best bikes out there with 2 ducs 4 hondas and a zuke or 2 better. I also think Dani is the only one that really fits the honda. Even at the end of the year we will not know the best rider we will have a good idea of the best combination of rider tire and bike.

Rossi or Stoner

and I wish I were typing Colin or Nicky
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IMO its not always who is caliber material and not. The top 3 guys will be competitive for Motogp when youíre at WSB, FX, AMA, or 250gp levels. Itís not just who is better than who. It is whose riding style fits to the rules and the regulations of the bikes. Best example ever..... John Hopkins. Look at the guy's history before motogp and then look what happened when he was signed with a crappy bike program with first Yamaha and then Suzuki. His bike could never compete against the other bikes. His riding style for motogp was suited more for 250gp racing because his Suzuki was underpowered and had to make up in the corners to attempt to compete. Motogp changes the rules down to 800cc for 2007(which suites his riding style) and Suzuki produces a competitive bike for him too. Now look how he is doing. He is hanging with the fastest guys in the world. Itís like he got all his Christmas presents in one off-season. (Iím not saying he is the best rider out there. But things changed for his favor.) Where for Nicky, I think itís the complete opposite. The more power that kid has under his rear wheel the more problems he is going to give people. Plus nobody can argue that he is on the best supported Honda and will always be competitive. You guys have to give these pros more credit. You donít just dump the world champ outta motogp because he has a disastrous follow-up year. Yes he might end up being a Kenny Robertís but you also have to look at Honda. Honda thinks bikes first riders second. They for all we know could have been designing the 800cc bike around Pedrosa figuring he will be the true future for the HRC under these new regulations. Pedrosa weigh's a 100 and nothing came from 250gp. Motogp has become even more exciting because itís more of a fight all the way to the end with much more drafting and less drifting and sliding around. We all know that there are many things that make a racer successful other than the racer or we wouldnít have shops like Pats that keep us racing and making us faster.

To answer the question about Maladin...... I read in a magazine a few years back when he was popped the same question that basically "Iím happy with my career here in the US. I have a family and donít want to be traveling around the entire world and be away from them all the time. Itís not important for me to try to prove something in motogp when Iím happy where Iím at." I very much wanted to see him compete in motogp and always wondered the same question. IMO also Rossi is the absolute best. It doesn't matter what obstacle u put in front of him. He will always be in the top 3 at the end of the seasons if not first.

PS It's a nobrainer that anybody in motgp would do much better on production bikes. Or they wouldn't be in where they are now.

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Mladin's performance at Miller today was awesome.
Are you refering to his performance on the ground after his crash to bring out the red flag? THAT was Oscar worthy. Funny how after the comercial break we see him running back to the pits for the restart. Was impressive to start at the back of the pack and get all the way back up with the leaders.
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Are you refering to his performance on the ground after his crash to bring out the red flag? THAT was Oscar worthy. Funny how after the comercial break we see him running back to the pits for the restart. Was impressive to start at the back of the pack and get all the way back up with the leaders.


I noticed that too.
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