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Old 06-23-2007, 10:58 PM   #81
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So who is the rider that caused the issue? I take it they didn't go down... but do they know what they caused?
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awesome glad you guys are ok.....or at least as ok as you were before the wreck
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So who is the rider that caused the issue? I take it they didn't go down... but do they know what they caused?
it really doesnt matter at this point, everything was taken care of. a 2nd riders meeting was held to reitterate the rules. sometimes some people just get caught up in the moment. The rider is well aware of not necc. what "he,she" caused but, what happened. no need to start placing blame on anyone. happens sometimes.

the important thing is that they are A OK and in good hands, they were in good hands when it happened also.
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So who is the rider that caused the issue? I take it they didn't go down... but do they know what they caused?

Curious to know what happened too, did the exiting rider give 'the signal' before proceeding to leave, Was the rider exiting from the race line? If the exiting rider was braking hard.. well, why would you have to if your exiting. Bleh

There is a lesson to be learned in this, have to hear from the guys involved to find out what though.

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it really doesnt matter at this point, everything was taken care of. a 2nd riders meeting was held to reitterate the rules. sometimes some people just get caught up in the moment. The rider is well aware of not necc. what "he,she" caused but, what happened. no need to start placing blame on anyone. happens sometimes.

the important thing is that they are A OK and in good hands, they were in good hands when it happened also.
To me it only matters in so far as a "learn from his mistakes instead of mine" not a blame thing. Muckraking never has been my thing =)

I'm curious to know what happened so that, shoudl I be posed with a similar instance I could hopefully avoid it.
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it really doesnt matter at this point, everything was taken care of. a 2nd riders meeting was held to reitterate the rules. sometimes some people just get caught up in the moment. The rider is well aware of not necc. what "he,she" caused but, what happened. no need to start placing blame on anyone. happens sometimes.

the important thing is that they are A OK and in good hands, they were in good hands when it happened also.
well beside the fact that all the riders that were the I assume were expericnced riders it seems like such a noob mistake.. never the less your right, they will be ok and thats whats important.
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Curious to know what happened too, did the exiting rider give 'the signal' before proceeding to leave, Was the rider exiting from the race line? If the exiting rider was braking hard.. well, why would you have to if your exiting. Bleh

There is a lesson to be learned in this, have to hear from the guys involved to find out what though.

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from what I heard he/she did not they just up and decided to pit
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ok, still being new to the whole trackday thing. What is proper edicate when a person causes others to crash out of stupidity? I am assuming it is every man for himself. Am I wrong? Would said person be pulled from the track from such stupidity?
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ok, still being new to the whole trackday thing. What is proper edicate when a person causes others to crash out of stupidity? I am assuming it is every man for himself. Am I wrong? Would said person be pulled from the track from such stupidity?

I have not caused a crash (that I know of) But I did cause a run off, and from personal experience. Do the right thing, find the person you have wronged and tell them what happened. I had an instance where I came over the elevation change at msrh, and caught a bit of headshake. Natural reaction was to hog on the gas to control the problem, Unfortunatly, this put me in someone elses way, we both ran off, I almost ran into him and it would have been totally my fault.

Soon as I got off the track, and saw him, I ran up and apologised and explained what happened, yeah, he was , and rightfully so, but he was more than understanding once I let him know what happened.

Long story short, if you screw up, man up and fess up. Take the blame where you were wrong and learn from your mistakes.

What did I learn? Dont follow so close, it's not a race.
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I have not caused a crash (that I know of) But I did cause a run off, and from personal experience. Do the right thing, find the person you have wronged and tell them what happened. I had an instance where I came over the elevation change at msrh, and caught a bit of headshake. Natural reaction was to hog on the gas to control the problem, Unfortunatly, this put me in someone elses way, we both ran off, I almost ran into him and it would have been totally my fault.

Soon as I got off the track, and saw him, I ran up and apologised and explained what happened, yeah, he was , and rightfully so, but he was more than understanding once I let him know what happened.

Long story short, if you screw up, man up and fess up. Take the blame where you were wrong and learn from your mistakes.

What did I learn? Dont follow so close, it's not a race.


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I have not caused a crash (that I know of) But I did cause a run off, and from personal experience. Do the right thing, find the person you have wronged and tell them what happened. I had an instance where I came over the elevation change at msrh, and caught a bit of headshake. Natural reaction was to hog on the gas to control the problem, Unfortunatly, this put me in someone elses way, we both ran off, I almost ran into him and it would have been totally my fault.

Soon as I got off the track, and saw him, I ran up and apologised and explained what happened, yeah, he was , and rightfully so, but he was more than understanding once I let him know what happened.

Long story short, if you screw up, man up and fess up. Take the blame where you were wrong and learn from your mistakes.

What did I learn? Dont follow so close, it's not a race.
learned the same thing my first track day. following to close behind a guy and when he broke to hard mid corner i broke hard and noobish and wrecked. no following close behind.
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Well, glad everyone was okay(relatively) ... just imagine if this happened on the streets ... there's something to be said about keeping it all on the track.
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it really doesnt matter at this point, everything was taken care of. a 2nd riders meeting was held to reitterate the rules. sometimes some people just get caught up in the moment. The rider is well aware of not necc. what "he,she" caused but, what happened. no need to start placing blame on anyone. happens sometimes.

the important thing is that they are A OK and in good hands, they were in good hands when it happened also.
I completely disagree, but you're the LSTD guy... not me.

If the rider knows what happened, but 'not necc. what he/she caused' then how will they learn from the experience?! If someone causes a crash, which it sounds like they did here, they NEED to know all the details about it and how to prevent it. I would think LSTD would have made sure of that much.
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I completely disagree, but you're the LSTD guy... not me.

If the rider knows what happened, but 'not necc. what he/she caused' then how will they learn from the experience?! If someone causes a crash, which it sounds like they did here, they NEED to know all the details about it and how to prevent it. I would think LSTD would have made sure of that much.
I don't think it was an LSTD event. But i agree with you at a certain point. The org. should make sure they know what they caused whithout taking action against them if it was indeed an accident.
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Man I leave for 24hrs and this happens wtf!!!!

Glad my boys are ok seems like we are dropping like RC51's(inside joke)

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I completely disagree, but you're the LSTD guy... not me.

If the rider knows what happened, but 'not necc. what he/she caused' then how will they learn from the experience?! If someone causes a crash, which it sounds like they did here, they NEED to know all the details about it and how to prevent it. I would think LSTD would have made sure of that much.
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:eh: It was an event for licensed racers not a trackday for self minded thinkers. They're suppose to have the expierence of knowing how to exit a track properly and safely. The guy was lucky he didn't get t boned.
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My guess would be that it has been brought to the parties attention already, posting up a name on the board would almost certainly cause an uproar.
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My guess would be that it has been brought to the parties attention already, posting up a name on the board would almost certainly cause an uproar.
Just my .02...........
I don't want the name posted here... I want to make sure the person knows the consequences of their actions.
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