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Old 06-22-2007, 09:22 AM   #1
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TWS (Texas World Speedway) reference points

I've been having difficulty finding reference points in turns 1 and 2. Could anybody name a few? I was told to initiate turn in at T2 when I can see the start of the yellow curbing. I usually try to straighten out t1 so I'm not combining both t1 and t2 into one big turn. Actually what I'm trying to say is I'm having trouble getting from t1 to t2 b/c I haven't found anything to let me know where I am b/n the two. Feels like I'm riding blind through that section.

oh t8 is kinda tough for me as well. Can't seem to figure out when to start slowing for the turn. Have a general idea when I'm approaching but I'm always worried I'm gonna blow it and go off-roading...or worse.

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Old 06-22-2007, 09:23 AM   #2
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are you talking about TWS (Texas World Speedway)?
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here you go check out the Marcus Mcbain track maps.
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This may help: http://www.roadracinghelp.com/LessonBook/TWS (Texas World Speedway)%20Maps.htm
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Start to turn in off the banking going into T1 at the #1 sign(there is a #3, #2, and #1 sign on the right on the wall). You can go ALOT faster than you can imagine into T1 cause you have SO much room to scrub off speed while waiting to turn into T2. No reason to take T1 tight...

After you hit the transition, grab 2 gears while the bike is semi-upright

Stay wide for T2 until the yellow paint strip ends(paint strip is about 15ft. from the edge of the right side of the track), and dive in!

Anybody else agree or disagree?

There are SOOOO many different ways to take T1 & T2 at TWS (Texas World Speedway)... so you just need to find what works for you...

I will say, the later you wait to take T1, the smoother the transition the banking is.
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....I will say, the later you wait to take T1, the smoother the transition the banking is.
i agree
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I agree with Firemalt. You can take T1 pinned especially with the SV's.
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Start to turn in off the banking going into T1 at the #1 sign(there is a #3, #2, and #1 sign on the right on the wall). You can go ALOT faster than you can imagine into T1 cause you have SO much room to scrub off speed while waiting to turn into T2. No reason to take T1 tight...

After you hit the transition, grab 2 gears while the bike is semi-upright

Stay wide for T2 until the yellow paint strip ends(paint strip is about 15ft. from the edge of the right side of the track), and dive in!

Anybody else agree or disagree?

There are SOOOO many different ways to take T1 & T2 at TWS (Texas World Speedway)... so you just need to find what works for you...

I will say, the later you wait to take T1, the smoother the transition the banking is.
I agree, except I square of T1 almost as if pit out was the apex and head straight for the end of the yellow line. When you see the end of it turn in for 2. No reason to grab any gears down unless you need the extra RPMs for a pass. Otherwise I rail it in 6th. I used to grab a gear or 2 down to help me slow down but with the slipper clutch it doesn't help any so it is all brakes now. Hope that helps Mike... on your SV you definetly do not need to slow down going into 1 or 2. Talk with Mr.Anderson, Romeo or Brandon the next time you are out there. Those guys have alot of experience on the SV at TWS (Texas World Speedway).

PS - This is under preferable conditions. T1 is so wide you can take a number of lines through it to deal with traffic.
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you guys jumped on that with a quickness. I'll be sure to check out those links. I'm not comfortable yet with going into turn 1 at wot. Definitely going to tape over the speedo this time b/c it freaks me out when i see how fast i'm going as i approach the turn. I don't even try to top out the bike b/c I know I'll get lost in t1 and 2.

The last time I was there Suzanne was my instructor. I followed her a few times but still couldn't find a ref. point. I think she mentioned that ylw stripe on the outside edge but I guess I forgot about it.

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To add to the discussion I guess it should also be mentioned that using Marcus McBain's map (roadracinghelp links above) as an absolute guide is difficult, especially during a track day. The "best" line through turn 1 has you well inside the yellow line, which means that if riders are coming on the track, which pretty much happens throughout an entire sesssion, you have to stay outside the yellow line for safey's sake... Staying wide through turn 1 (especially in groups 1 & 2 is one of the best places to pass people that are on bikes that are faster than you in the straight)...

Others agree w/ that?
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you guys jumped on that with a quickness. I'll be sure to check out those links. I'm not comfortable yet with going into turn 1 at wot. Definitely going to tape over the speedo this time b/c it freaks me out when i see how fast i'm going as i approach the turn. I don't even try to top out the bike b/c I know I'll get lost in t1 and 2.

The last time I was there Suzanne was my instructor. I followed her a few times but still couldn't find a ref. point. I think she mentioned that ylw stripe on the outside edge but I guess I forgot about it.

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Well, you got one of the fastest SV riders out there helping you. What's the hold up?

Definetly tape over your speedo if you catch yourself looking down at it. I never do because I am more concerned about where I am going. You may not be looking down the track far enough as well. Get you eyes focussed on where you want to go. Especially coming down a straight like TWS (Texas World Speedway) you need to be looking down the track as far as you can. This changes the perspective of speed. I am not sure what kind of tires you are running but definetly work your way up to pace by letting it come to you so you can find the limitations of your current equipment with out putting it on the pavement.

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To add to the discussion I guess it should also be mentioned that using Marcus McBain's map (roadracinghelp links above) as an absolute guide is difficult, especially during a track day. The "best" line through turn 1 has you well inside the yellow line, which means that if riders are coming on the track, which pretty much happens throughout an entire sesssion, you have to stay outside the yellow line for safey's sake... Staying wide through turn 1 (especially in groups 1 & 2 is one of the best places to pass people that are on bikes that are faster than you in the straight)...

Others agree w/ that?
I usually find my self coming up the inside of people in T1 in the B group. Most of the newer guys in that group seem to run way to wide in T1. It puts me right in front of the pack for my T2 turn in but there is alot of track there that can be used.
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I usually find my self coming up the inside of people in T1 in the B group. Most of the newer guys in that group seem to run way to wide in T1. It puts me right in front of the pack for my T2 turn in but there is alot of track there that can be used.
True. I guess it depends on the group that happens to form itself. Several times I've been there I've found riders hugging the yellow and I could just sweep around them on the outside. Also, due to some group rules, an outside pass in the turn is favored over an inside pass...
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True. I guess it depends on the group that happens to form itself. Several times I've been there I've found riders hugging the yellow and I could just sweep around them on the outside. Also, due to some group rules, an outside pass in the turn is favored over an inside pass...
Yeah, Ridesmart they want you going around the outside in Level 2. With the Lonestar B group they just want a clean pass and nothing to close.
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True. I guess it depends on the group that happens to form itself. Several times I've been there I've found riders hugging the yellow and I could just sweep around them on the outside. Also, due to some group rules, an outside pass in the turn is favored over an inside pass...
I think they're just slow


anyway, through T1 I normally start come in on the inside and drift out to get my bike as straight up as possible(Ive looked at my speedo at T1 several times and it reads on average about 110mph). I dont get on the brakes till the transition and I stay on the inside of the yellow line and turn into T2 about 6-8 feet from the end of the yellow line(This turn in depends on how fast you're going through there). I normally grab 2 downshifts.

With an SV you'll probably definitely move these markers around but you just need to find something and play around with it lap after lap.
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Don't turn in for T1 until you think to yourself "If I don't turn in NOW, I'm not going to make it"... and then wait another second before turing in, you'll be amazed.

Same goes for the throttle... hold it until you say "SHITTTTTTT", hold it another second, and the release! Smoothly, of course
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I think in a survey on here, most folks said that T1 gives them issues or they don't feel comfy with it. I am one of them, but I am a noob on the track. It took me half a day to figure out how to get somewhat comfy and what I did is pick some of the masts that are way in the backgrouns of the track (by or behind the Nascar wall) when you come through T1. Once I see those masts, I start preparing for T2 because I know it is actually about to come up. :laughing6

Not sure if that helps because I really don't have much experience with TWS (Texas World Speedway) but it was a major mile stone for me.
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