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Old 06-03-2015, 01:03 PM   #61
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What percentage of drivers had food in their hand during a typical commute back in 1990? What percentage of drivers have texting capable phones today?
Less than the percentage of people with food capable mouths in 1990. Less than the percentage of people that had manual radio dials not on their steering wheel in 1990.
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Less than the percentage of people with food capable mouths in 1990. Less than the percentage of people that had manual radio dials not on their steering wheel in 1990.
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Previous academic studies—much more scientific than ours—conducted in vehicle simulators have shown that texting while driving impairs the driver’s abilities. But as far as we know, no study has been conducted in a real vehicle that is being driven. Also, we decided to compare the results of texting to the effects of drunk driving, on the same day and under the exact same conditions...

Both socially and legally, drunk driving is completely unacceptable. Texting, on the other hand, is still in its formative period with respect to laws and opinion. A few jurisdictions have passed ordinances against texting while driving. But even if sweeping legislation were passed to outlaw any typing behind the wheel, it would still be difficult to enforce the law.

In our test, neither subject had any idea that using his phone would slow down his reaction time so much. Like most folks, they think they’re pretty good drivers. Our results prove otherwise, at both city and highway speeds. The key element to driving safely is keeping your eyes and your mind on the road. Text messaging distracts any driver from that primary task. So the next time you’re tempted to text, tweet, e-mail, or otherwise type while driving, either ignore the urge or pull over. We don’t want you rear-ending us.
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It is disappointing reading that majority of people in this forum support texting while driving, or don't consider it a particular and distinct risk factor which requires legislation to limit it and strict enforcement. Moving here from Europe, this mindset increasingly doesn't surprise me. I realize the majority of you are opposed to the concept of government, environment/pollution, regulations, 'the nanny state', etc. However, a few of you do appreciate DUI/DWI laws and their consequences. The cavalier attitude here is exactly how people opposed to drinking-while-driving laws were before they were passed: I drive just fine without other people telling me what to do, or I'm better than those other drivers and can drink/use my phone just fine.

My ex-roommate is currently working on developing autonomous cars which I was skeptical of. I never shared her views because I love driving and riding. However, it's clear from here and observing traffic around the world that removing human control from behind the wheel is the most efficient way to reducing congestion, increasing speeds, and making roads safer. Tell your car or motorbike where you want to go and then you can eat, read, surf the web, watch movies, and so on to your heart's content like on a plane.
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Less than the percentage of people with food capable mouths in 1990. Less than the percentage of people that had manual radio dials not on their steering wheel in 1990.
Are you able to text while keeping your eyes on the road? How long have car radios had station presets? The amount of time your eyes are off the road to glance at the speedo = the same amount of time to change the station if you even had to look at the radio.
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It is disappointing reading that majority of people in this forum support texting while driving, or don't consider it a particular and distinct risk factor which requires legislation to limit it and strict enforcement. Moving here from Europe, this mindset increasingly doesn't surprise me. I realize the majority of you are opposed to the concept of government, environment/pollution, regulations, 'the nanny state', etc. However, a few of you do appreciate DUI/DWI laws and their consequences. The cavalier attitude here is exactly how people opposed to drinking-while-driving laws were before they were passed: I drive just fine without other people telling me what to do, or I'm better than those other drivers and can drink/use my phone just fine.

My ex-roommate is currently working on developing autonomous cars which I was skeptical of. I never shared her views because I love driving and riding. However, it's clear from here and observing traffic around the world that removing human control from behind the wheel is the most efficient way to reducing congestion, increasing speeds, and making roads safer. Tell your car or motorbike where you want to go and then you can eat, read, surf the web, watch movies, and so on to your heart's content like on a plane.
Can't speak for anyone else, but I am not pro texting and driving. I just don't think its the apocalypse that people make it out to be. Not to mention that laws to restrict it are basically unenforceable. I also venture to bet that you just pulled that about pre-dwi laws attitudes out of your , because dwi has been illegal pretty much as long as there have been cars.
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Are you able to text while keeping your eyes on the road? How long have car radios had station presets? The amount of time your eyes are off the road to glance at the speedo = the same amount of time to change the station if you even had to look at the radio.
Right, because you are always in a spot where your presets cover all the stations you could want to listen to. And you would never do something like fast forward a tape deck or scroll and select a song from an iPod. The fact is, you cannot pass a lot that will make people pay attention to the road. You just can't. All you can do is punish them after the fact. People find ways to not pay attention. They read the paper and put on make up. Laws against things like that are redundant. Isn't it already illegal to reared someone, no matter the reason? Isn't it illegal to not maintain your lane? Speed? Pass on the right? Impede the flow of traffic? But sure, let's make it MORE illegal. That'll fix it.
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Right, because you are always in a spot where your presets cover all the stations you could want to listen to. And you would never do something like fast forward a tape deck or scroll and select a song from an iPod. The fact is, you cannot pass a lot that will make people pay attention to the road. You just can't. All you can do is punish them after the fact. People find ways to not pay attention. They read the paper and put on make up. Laws against things like that are redundant. Isn't it already illegal to reared someone, no matter the reason? Isn't it illegal to not maintain your lane? Speed? Pass on the right? Impede the flow of traffic? But sure, let's make it MORE illegal. That'll fix it.
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Can't speak for anyone else, but I am not pro texting and driving. I just don't think its the apocalypse that people make it out to be. Not to mention that laws to restrict it are basically unenforceable. I also venture to bet that you just pulled that about pre-dwi laws attitudes out of your , because dwi has been illegal pretty much as long as there have been cars.
There is no need for rude language. It was my mistake that I wasn't more clear. When Mothers Against Drunk Driving began campaigning for stricter penalties and heavier enforcement for intoxicated drivers, there were many who opposed them and those were the attitudes I was describing. These people did not like the open-container additions, lowering the BAC limit, the need for checkpoints, and so on.
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Right, because you are always in a spot where your presets cover all the stations you could want to listen to. And you would never do something like fast forward a tape deck or scroll and select a song from an iPod. The fact is, you cannot pass a lot that will make people pay attention to the road. You just can't. All you can do is punish them after the fact. People find ways to not pay attention. They read the paper and put on make up. Laws against things like that are redundant. Isn't it already illegal to reared someone, no matter the reason? Isn't it illegal to not maintain your lane? Speed? Pass on the right? Impede the flow of traffic? But sure, let's make it MORE illegal. That'll fix it.
I simply think we're on opposite ends of the political spectrum. You don't like more laws being passed because it clutters an already thick book of rules. The issue is enforcement of those laws which in this case are harder to do, but not impossible. As far as punishing after the fact, there are already laws which prohibit and penalize behaviour before the crime has been committed, inchoate offences.

There ways to combat distracted driving. As a society, we need more autonomous cars and/or improved mass transit options so there are fewer people behind the wheel. In addition, we need significantly higher standards for driving which means harder licensing tests, more frequent testing, etc.

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I simply think we're on opposite ends of the political spectrum. You don't like more laws being passed because it clutters an already thick book of rules. The issue is enforcement of those laws which in this case are harder to do, but not impossible. As far as punishing after the fact, there are already laws which prohibit and penalize behaviour before the crime has been committed, inchoate offences.

There ways to combat distracted driving. As a society, we need more autonomous cars and/or improved mass transit options so there are fewer people behind the wheel. In addition, we need significantly higher standards for driving which means harder licensing tests, more frequent testing, etc.

Undercover Motorcycle Cop Pulling Over Phone Users
I see a cop who is actively looking for this with drivers PARKED (more or less). Which, really shouldn't even be a problem, but I'm guessing that country deems it a problem.

If you were to have a cop try that here, it would be dangerous for him and cars around him. If he can take his eyes off the road to look at what others are doing, why can't they?
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On that we can agree.
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I see a cop who is actively looking for this with drivers PARKED (more or less). Which, really shouldn't even be a problem, but I'm guessing that country deems it a problem.

If you were to have a cop try that here, it would be dangerous for him and cars around him. If he can take his eyes off the road to look at what others are doing, why can't they?
That video reminded me of this.

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Yeah I think it's complete nonsense that it's illegal to use the phone while the car is stopped, wherever they are. Give me an freaking break. If that isn't about revenue generation, I don't know what is.
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these are typically people who get rev limiter as i go by. they wake up, sometimes drop their phones right out of their hands. pretty comical, and they move. never had anybody try to kill me yet...

i did have one old lady litralee ask me to shut off my bike at a light because she couldnt hear the person she was on the phone with. she also got rev limiter.
Just wait until you scare one of them into inadvertently jerking the wheel into you. Then it won't seem like that good of an idea. What's wrong with just getting away and going about your business?
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