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Old 06-20-2007, 05:13 PM   #1
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whats up with HPD?

It was on the front page of sundays Houston Chronicle and was also on tv that since january HPD officers have written thousands of tickets to people who have a bracket around thier license plate, such as the ones car dealers will put on thier cars when you buy it.

That is chicken if you ask me. One patrol officer wrote THIRTY in one day all by himself! Is the city THAT hard up for money? i cant imagine that these cops just took it upon themselves to start writing these tickets, they certainly were told to do so i would think.

I have one on my truck, put there by the dealer. People are getting $98 fines for something completely trivial that in most cases, they had nothing to do with it being there in the first place.
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as long as it doesnt cover anything up its legal.

if it covers up any part of the TEXAS you are almost guaranteed a ticket.
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It was on the front page of sundays Houston Chronicle and was also on tv that since january HPD officers have written thousands of tickets to people who have a bracket around thier license plate, such as the ones car dealers will put on thier cars when you buy it.

That is chicken if you ask me. One patrol officer wrote THIRTY in one day all by himself! Is the city THAT hard up for money? i cant imagine that these cops just took it upon themselves to start writing these tickets, they certainly were told to do so i would think.

I have one on my truck, put there by the dealer. People are getting $98 fines for something completely trivial that in most cases, they had nothing to do with it being there in the first place.
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news brake governor perry is about to sign a law to make that not illegal anymore

watch the news i saw it last night

later on u will be able to have it and no prob
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:20 PM   #4
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It was on the front page of sundays Houston Chronicle and was also on tv that since january HPD officers have written thousands of tickets to people who have a bracket around thier license plate, such as the ones car dealers will put on thier cars when you buy it.

That is chicken if you ask me. One patrol officer wrote THIRTY in one day all by himself! Is the city THAT hard up for money? i cant imagine that these cops just took it upon themselves to start writing these tickets, they certainly were told to do so i would think.

I have one on my truck, put there by the dealer. People are getting $98 fines for something completely trivial that in most cases, they had nothing to do with it being there in the first place.
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the guys who do that are gutless cops who are too scared to do any real cop work. I'm glad mr.white addressed that officers should have more important things to do then give tickets for that. I'm also glad that the mayor overturned the rule for the time(it isnt illegal anymore in houston) until the state passes the new bill which legalizes the plate borders.
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:21 PM   #5
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I got puller over one night a couple years ago, but did not get a ticket. What really ****ed up is that the Brazoria County court house in angleton has them for sale, when I asked about it the lady just shruged her shoulders.
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Old 06-20-2007, 05:39 PM   #6
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Everyone writes them, it's legal to write them now because of the law but Sept.1 that is about to change. I wonder how many POS they got because of this "chicken " law. Take it off and show a picture to the judge and be on your way. Didn't the mayor's car have one? :laughing6
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Old 06-20-2007, 08:11 PM   #7
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It doesn't even matter when you get that ticket especially if you have to go to Lubbock Court. Hpd has been giving out tickets like that since that law was passed in September of '05 (I think, where can't cover Texas). Every time I got a ticket for speeding they added that to my list of tickets and when I went to court I said it was off and they said, "O.k., dismissed".

I really don't know why they waste peoples time with it.
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Old 06-20-2007, 10:35 PM   #8
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well the thing is, that with the laws now a days we pretty much have prevented a cop from having an instinct or being able to pull you over unless he has an extremely obvious reason.

Some people might think this is good, some disagree. Not getting into this or taking sides - just giving an explanation.

This kinda law provides them with a reason to pull you over and check on other things that way the charges of your 8.0 alcohol level wont be dismmised just cuz you hadnt crashed or done something stupid first.

Lets face it most people and moan when they get pulled over just cuz they are checking out a hunch or something. Trust me I used to get pulled over for no reason whatsoever, and yes it was anoying, but they are doing their job and it only takes about 10 mins per time, its not that bad.

Most people complain and say that they shouldnt be able to pull you over unless you have commited an offense, but then they also complain when they can't do anything when the other car made you lowside and he is powerless cuz he didnt really hit you. Well you cant have it both ways.

The fact that they are using this law, for making money sucks... but then again you could just take the thing off.

like I said not taking sides but the first day that this became illegal, and it mightve been as far as 04, I went out of the bar and took it off my car. Yes I'm not a saint, but I also in favour of not getting pulled over in the first place.

Knowing that it became a law (and it only get to do this cuz we allowed it) why fight it at the individual level, just take the dang thing off and its done no worries no money off your pocket.
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Old 06-20-2007, 11:07 PM   #9
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The old law was vague in how an "obscured" plate was defined, it was originally designed to prevent people fron adding devices that covered the plate that prevented detection from red light cameras.

Due to the language, the unintended consequence was the license plate bracket tickets. Mayor White didn't have anything to do with changing this law, it was done by the last legislative session.
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I recently got a ticket for this . When the cop wrote the ticket he said take it off, take a pic, and the judge will dismiss it. Then why write the ticket? HOWEVER, what really sucked is when I went to court with the pics, the judge said he wasn't interested in it and that I would have to plead not guilty and go to trial to get it dismissed!!! WTF?!?! I said screw it and paid the fine.
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Old 06-29-2007, 12:29 PM   #11
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I recently got a ticket for this . When the cop wrote the ticket he said take it off, take a pic, and the judge will dismiss it. Then why write the ticket? HOWEVER, what really sucked is when I went to court with the pics, the judge said he wasn't interested in it and that I would have to plead not guilty and go to trial to get it dismissed!!! WTF?!?! I said screw it and paid the fine.

Were you dressed for court?

I've seen it make a huge difference in the leniency a judge will have if you're wearing a tie and dress pants instead of shorts and a T-shirt

EDIT: Oh and not meaning to imply that you were underdressed, but I know I've gotten off of some stuff just because everybody else in court looked really shabby. I know that at least some judges appreciate that you take their court sriously.
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Were you dressed for court?

I've seen it make a huge difference in the leniency a judge will have if you're wearing a tie and dress pants instead of shorts and a T-shirt

EDIT: Oh and not meaning to imply that you were underdressed, but I know I've gotten off of some stuff just because everybody else in court looked really shabby. I know that at least some judges appreciate that you take their court sriously.
Yes I was. I was wearing a nice button up shirt and dress pants. I thought that might help too because everyone else in there was dressed like a slob, including a chic with a shirt that said "BITE ME" on it. Oh well.
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Were you dressed for court?

I've seen it make a huge difference in the leniency a judge will have if you're wearing a tie and dress pants instead of shorts and a T-shirt

EDIT: Oh and not meaning to imply that you were underdressed, but I know I've gotten off of some stuff just because everybody else in court looked really shabby. I know that at least some judges appreciate that you take their court sriously.
i know is true but,, thats another load of , is not their court, that is where they perform their job
those guys gotta get a grip lol is even funny
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They tagged me with a ticket so i went to court and only had to pay court fees. this was a month before they voted to change the law a few weeks ago. its bs anyways
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I was told this law originated because of the sniper shootings on the East Coast a while back. Remember those two guys that were killing random civilians? The authorities had several leads on plates but the due to license plate frames they were unable to identify the states of origin which took longer for them to run. It seems in today's modern age we still don't have good data sharing among states. So rather than put money into that they'd rather write tickets for covering up part of the plate. And I'm sure the ticket revenue does not go toward data integration.

The law is supposed to be that the frame can not cover up any of the identifying artwork of the plate. That's pretty broad and they had a big announcement about it about a year ago on the news. I took all my plate covers off after that.

I do believe that Harris County in particular is ticket revenue driven rather than law enforcement driven.
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This particular case was the reason for the license plate 'frame' law.

United States vs Gilbert Granado
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Cop saw a minivan without a front license plate so he turned around to stop him. Minivan had license plate frame that partially blocked the state name. He stopped the van thinking that it was a Texas plate. As he walked up to the vehicle he could see that it was a Coahuila (Mexican State) plate. He proceeded with the stop anyway and ended up searching the van finding Meth and Cocaine. Guy goes to jail then appeals because cop had no probable cause to stop him since front license plate isn't required in Coahuila. Lawmaker gets then writes a bill which eventually gets passed.
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as long as it doesnt cover anything up its legal.

if it covers up any part of the TEXAS you are almost guaranteed a ticket.

With all the punks running these days it obstructs quicker tracking. Can't see what state don't know where to look. Blame the punks. Not the system that can't shoot a punk for running.
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