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Old 05-26-2015, 07:01 AM   #21
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Who's to say they are qualified to be teaching others?

Many/most who are taught by others (who are not "qualified") are taught incorrectly.

Don't know anything about these guys, just addressing the last post
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Old 05-26-2015, 07:08 AM   #22
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I'm no racing expert.

I'm just somebody that has seen lots of good intentions lead to bad advice for others.

We all can learn more; always.

Red flags go up with the way the OP listed and described the "training". Vague, non-specific comments regarding actual experience and others' results. Top it off with no backing of some type of org full of REALLY experienced people to add to the overall knowledge base.

Once more, good luck to all involved.
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First, I didnt judge. I asked a question in a serious manner and got an avoidance response.

Naive?

No. Experienced enough to be cautious when red flags appear.

Not the same at all.
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So what's the red flag? That they are scamming for $5? A red flag to me would be if they claim to be licensed and charging $100. But $5? No one is bound to anything, no one is prepaying, they can walk away anytime.

I don't see any red flag.
What's the cost of learning incorrectly?
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Some things it doesn't matter, others are life and death.

What if student doesn't know any better?

Very common for braking advice, many are taught incorrectly. Learning the right way can be life or death.
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I never mention their cost and I never mentioned licensing. I asked for expansion on a claim.

Sudo - I would caution you to always double check who you're getting advice from. It makes a big difference to look into their experience and overall base of knowledge of the training team from a collective standpoint.

YMMV

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Since most in this thread commenting have a few years track or street, why not take a weekend and try it. Its only 5 bucks and you could get a feel for how well of instructors they are. It cant really hurt if you learn something new or a new way of doing something. If you dont like their advice, you dont have to use/take it. By having "experienced" riders take the class first you can verify how well they are and could recommend to new riders if they are good "school".

As for the the instructors, they really are taking a big risk. By not being a "school" and having insurance it would be very easy to get sued. Unfortunately in the world we live in today, helping others can easily put your self in financial risk.

The one thing im not clear on is, if the whole class is in a parking lot. Its hard to teach proper cornering doing 10mph, and group riding techniques would have to also be on the road. Even though i have seen body position drill in tight parking lot it was with experienced track riders. So working on BP would also have to be done on track or back road somewhere.

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I went to the last course these guys did and my biggest take homes were emergency braking and body position practicing. I've been riding for 2 years and am in no way a pro. I thought it was well worth the time and glad I went. If you already consider yourself a track expert, your time might be better off spent at home caressing your ego. Go see for yourself.
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Saying the OP needs to have Insurance is like saying anyone organizing/getting a group ride together needs to have Insurance.... Dont ride outside your means.

What about the people on this site that work on peoples bikes, or for that matter can mount a tire at their house, I guess they need insurance also.

I would think most people on this site was above that. As far as the hating on this site?? Its expected.
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The people asking if the guys have insurance are doing so in interest of the instructors, not the riders. You can sit here and talk about personal responsibility and who "gets to sue" who, but at the end of the day it would really suck for a couple guys trying to help out the community to get by some squid who wrecks his .
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The people asking if the guys have insurance are doing so in interest of the instructors, not the riders. You can sit here and talk about personal responsibility and who "gets to sue" who, but at the end of the day it would really suck for a couple guys trying to help out the community to get by some squid who wrecks his .
Didn't that actually happen to someone on the track? I forget who? J E hurst?

up situation, but these things DO happen.
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Saying the OP needs to have Insurance is like saying anyone organizing/getting a group ride together needs to have Insurance.... Dont ride outside your means.

What about the people on this site that work on peoples bikes, or for that matter can mount a tire at their house, I guess they need insurance also.

I would think most people on this site was above that. As far as the hating on this site?? Its expected.
The unfortunate fact is that if you help a friend out and forget a bolt and his wheel falls off your liable. Even though he was saving a buck getting it done through you, you could be at fault.


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Exactly. Most of the people that would attend this should already have completed MSF and insurance. And most importantly, personal responsibility applies to everyone. You don't get to sue anyone. There is no contract or obligation. Just people trying to organize a meet like any other event.
Yes the riders should have taken their MSF and have insurance on their bikes, but as "instructors" you also have to have coverage. Just because people should take personal responsibility doesn't mean they will. Also this is not like another "meet", they are classifying it as "Advance Rider Training" making them a "course/school" in which they would have to be insured. Im all for them helping others, i have just learned that when helping other you have to think of your self and your family first in terms of problems down the road. Even if they had people sign waiver im pretty sure they still would not be covered since they are "teaching".
Again not knocking them for helping, just want everyone to know the risk.
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