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Old 05-18-2015, 03:32 PM   #101
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If you associate with dead beat thugs, you get treated like one. I guess that's the price you pay to play dress up on the weekends.

Same I have to deal with in a sport bike. Everyone automatically thinks I split lanes at 100+ mph.
But they look like fine, law-abiding citizens...

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Why is TABC involved? That seems rather...odd.
Apparently they they like to suspend liquor licenses when there's an ongoing investigation of a gunfight involving multiple shooters and law enforcement.
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Reading other branches of these gangs from other states are headed to that area.

Might be a ground zero for a biker war. And they don't give a about the police
No booze, no fight

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I think that was an article from The Onion, or an equivalent.
It was and you're ruining the internet
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You're looking at it different. The police straight up warned them if they continued to hold bike nights with these groups, bad things would come of it. The PD offered to assist in keeping these gatherings civil. Manager told them to pound sand.

This wasn't a random fight. These guys came with the intentions of starting . And the PD knew this ahead of time, but TP wouldn't allow them to do anything.
Cool and they'd just find another place to meet bro. I not saying the owner isn't a dumbass but the location is pointless. It's a turf battle bro so blaming twin peaks is stupid. It was going to happen regardless. It was a planned meeting according to what I'm reading. The cops were there and they didn't care. Do you honestly think if the owner stopped having bike nights that they would reconsider and do it at Walmart parking lot?? nah
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Cool and they'd just find another place to meet bro. I not saying the owner isn't a dumbass but the location is pointless. It's a turf battle bro so blaming twin peaks is stupid. It was going to happen regardless. It was a planned meeting according to what I'm reading. The cops were there and they didn't care. Do you honestly think if the owner stopped having bike nights that they would reconsider and do it at Walmart parking lot?? nah
Encouraging and welcoming those type of MCs to show up after past problems and warnings from TP corporate and the police is why the idiot owner/operator of the Waco TP is getting hammered. Had there been a heavy police presence when the doors opened a lot of these bikers would have turned around and headed somewhere else.

A lot less would be given if these douchebags met in the desert and fought it out.
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Encouraging and welcoming those type of MCs to show up after past problems and warnings from TP corporate and the police is why the idiot owner/operator of the Waco TP is getting hammered. Had there been a heavy police presence when the doors opened a lot of these bikers would have turned around and headed somewhere else.

A lot less would be given if these douchebags met in the desert and fought it out.
True, but how do you know he wasn't threatened?? These guys don't care about cops you think they care about some little Indian dude.
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Encouraging and welcoming those type of MCs to show up after past problems and warnings from TP corporate and the police is why the idiot owner/operator of the Waco TP is getting hammered. Had there been a heavy police presence when the doors opened a lot of these bikers would have turned around and headed somewhere else.

A lot less would be given if these douchebags met in the desert and fought it out.
For real. Nobody gives a if gang members are blasting each other out in bumfucking nowhere. The owner told the police to off. He literally single-handedly fostered the environment which led to what easily could have been innocent people being killed. At the very least, his blatant disregard for the safety of his staff and patrons cost him his business and cost several other stores nearby potentially days worth of lost business. If he had invited the police in rather than bangin' that "FTP", maybe the bikers would have been more reasonable or maybe they would have settled their somewhere the else, which could just as easily have been somewhere that was not open to the public in the first place. You act like the owner isn't a because you think the bikers would have just found some other who was as woefully negligent. Maybe they would have, but it doesn't excuse his gross negligence.
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I'm curious, was it a COC gathering/meeting or a club event?
Yes. Region 1 TX COC&I Meeting.

Houston is Region 3 of the TX COC&I

No idea why the media is mentioning it was a recruiting event.
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True, but how do you know he wasn't threatened?? These guys don't care about cops you think they care about some little Indian dude.
If they didn't care about cops why are they in jail?

The police wanted to be involved because they knew about this event before Sunday. The owner/operator basically told the police to off. You really think outlaw clubs with convicted members want to hang out at a location where there is a heavy police presence on the premises?

This started out as a meeting of clubs that turned into a fight
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Yes. Region 1 TX COC&I Meeting.

Houston is Region 3 of the TX COC&I

No idea why the media is mentioning it was a recruiting event.
I guess you'd have to ask the police
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WACO (May 18, 2015) About 170 suspects arrested after a shootout between rival biker gangs and police Sunday at Waco’s Twin Peaks restaurant that left nine dead and 18 injured were ordered held in lieu of $1 million bonds Monday while investigators continued the painstaking process of gathering evidence at the crime scene.

By early afternoon about a third of the suspects had been booked into the McLennan County Jail.

All 170 will be processed into the jail, Sheriff Parnell McNamara said Monday, although some may later be transferred to other facilities.

Affidavits and arrest warrants totaled more than 500 pages, an official said.

At least some and technically all of those in custody could be charged with capital murder because of the number of victims, Waco police Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said.

All of those killed and injured were bikers, police say

No officers or bystanders were hurt.

Restaurant Franchise Revoked

Meanwhile the Twin Peaks corporate office Monday revoked the franchise of the restaurant where the shooting occurred.

“We are in the people business and the safety of the employees and guests in our restaurants is priority one,” the company said.

“Unfortunately the management team of the franchised restaurant in Waco chose to ignore the warnings and advice from both the police and our company, and did not uphold the high security standards we have in place to ensure everyone is safe at our restaurants.

“We will not tolerate the actions of this relatively new franchisee and are revoking their franchise agreement immediately. Our sympathies continue to be with the families of those who died and are very thankful no employees, guests, police officers or bystanders were hurt or injured,” the statement said.

Trouble at Twin Peaks among rival bikers had been brewing for some time, District Attorney Abel Reyna told News 10 about two weeks ago.

Reyna said local police were on heightened alert in anticipation of trouble on Thursday nights, when Twin Peaks hosts a Biker Night.

Reyna said some weeks ago trouble erupted between two local motorcycle gangs and that spilled over into gangs from the Dallas-Fort Worth area showing up to support the local groups.

Jay Patel, Operating Partner for the Waco Twin Peaks, issued a statement Sunday evening that said the restaurant management and employees share in the community’s trauma.

"We are horrified by the criminal, violent acts that occurred outside of our Waco restaurant today.

“We share in the community's trauma.

“Our management team has had ongoing and positive communications with the police and we will continue to work with them as we all want to keep violent crime out of our businesses and community,” he said.

On Monday, however, Swanton said the restaurant’s owners were not cooperative with police.

“They have some answering not only to do to you, but to our community as well,” he told reporters.

Security Tight At Crime Scene

Police were on alert for additional violence Monday and security was tight around the crime scene.

Snipers were positioned on the restaurant’s roof and on overpasses that overlook the crime scene to protect not only investigators, but also the media gathered to cover the shooting.

The danger Sunday at the restaurant was significant, Swanton said, but on Monday he described the scene as secure.

He confirmed, however, that death threats have targeted uniformed police officers.

The nine bodies of gang members who died in the shooting have been taken to various morgues for autopsy.

McLennan County Justice of the Peace Pete Peterson ordered the autopsies, but declined to identify them until their families have been notified.

They all were from Texas, he said.

Three of the dead were found in the parking lot just outside of the restaurant, four were found in front of the building and one had been dragged behind a neighboring restaurant, Swanton said.

All nine were members of two of the five gangs involved in the melee, he said.

Waco crime scene investigators assisted by officers from federal, state and county agencies including the FBI, the ATF and the Department of Public Safety, were meticulously diagramming the crime scene Monday, Swanton said.

Once that process is finished, Swanton said, about 100 motorcycles and many of the 50 to 75 private vehicles in the restaurant’s parking lot will be towed away as evidence.

Investigators say they expect to remain at the scene at least until dark Monday night, Swanton said.

Portions of the Central Texas Marketplace, meanwhile, remained closed on Monday as the investigation continued.

Stores on the west side of the complex from Men’s Warehouse to Kohl’s were open Monday morning, but those on the south side, from Cabella’s to Best Buy were ordered to remain closed.

Traffic into the shopping center off Interstate 35 and Loop 340 was still restricted Monday.

Restaurant’s Alcohol Sales Suspended

The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission Monday announced it is suspending alcohol sales at the restaurant for seven days because of the shooting.

State law allows the agency to suspend a business license to sell alcohol after a shooting, stabbing or murder on premises that’s likely to result in subsequent leadership.

“Any wrongdoing uncovered during the investigation could result in further action against the restaurant, including monetary fines, further suspension, or cancellation of its TABC license to sell alcohol,” the agency said in a press release Monday.

“Our investigators will continue to work with the Waco Police Department to collect statements from any party involved, especially the restaurant staff,” said Maj. Victor Kuykendoll, TABC District 2 Regional Commander.

“We will continue to investigate the operations of the restaurant to determine if they failed to properly manage the folks on the premises and enabled this event to take place.”

The Harker Heights Twin Peaks restaurant has the same owner as the Waco restaurant, the TABC confirmed Monday, but the license suspension will not affect the Harker Heights operation.

The restaurant will be allowed to resume normal operations after seven days, pending the results of the investigation, which could take several weeks to complete.

Once police clear the crime scene the restaurant could resume food sales, but Swanton said Monday he hopes the owners will allow for a cooling-off period and will keep the business closed for the immediate future.

DPS Director: Twin Peaks Gunfight Unprecedented

Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw, a former FBI agent, said Monday that the shootout Sunday was the first time "we've seen this type of violence in broad daylight."

McCraw's agency sent Texas Rangers to process the crime scene and special agents who target motorcycle gangs.

McCraw says DPS is constantly monitoring biker gangs and that motorcycle gang violence dates back to at least the 1970s.

Officers “Did A Of A Job”

Waco police anticipated possible violence Sunday based on the previous disturbances at the restaurant and on unspecified intelligence.

Eighteen uniformed Waco police officers including an assistant chief, sergeants and one rookie were standing by outside the restaurant Sunday and responded within a matter of seconds after the violence broke out between members of five rival gangs, Swanton said.

“They did a of job in response to a very deadly scene,” he said.

He declined to name the gangs, saying “we’re not going to give them publicity,” but they included the Bandidos, the Cossacks and the Scimitars.

The catalyst for the violence was a fight that broke out in a restaurant restroom and spilled into the outdoor party bar area, Swanton said.

Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said.

As the officers responded, the bikers directed gunfire in their direction, police said.

“Our officers took fire and responded appropriately, returning fire,” he said.

The number of shots fired and who fired them won’t be released immediately pending completion of the investigation, he said.

“Those officers quickly gained control of a very violent scene and took numerous biker individuals into temporary custody,” he said.

They called for backup and officers from agencies throughout McLennan County responded, he said.

Officers from those agencies remained at the scene Monday, he said.

Off-duty officers who were shopping nearby also responded, even though they lacked protective gear, Swanton said.

Diners and some employees locked themselves in a freezer to escape the violence.

The scene at the Market Place between Don Carlos and Twin Peaks was absolute chaos, Swanton said earlier.

"It is one of the most violent scenes I've seen in my 34 years as a police officer in Waco," Swanton said.

Swanton said officers recovered more than 100 weapons from the scene and there were several vehicles that had bullet holes in them.

The 18 injured victims were taken by ambulance to Baylor Scott & White Hillcrest Medical Center, Providence Health Center and two were reportedly transferred to Scott & White Hospital in Temple because of the severity of their injuries.

Their names and information about their conditions weren’t available Monday.

Neither Hillcrest nor Providence would comment Monday on how many patients from the shooting they have or on security measures in place in the aftermath of the violence.

Scores of suspects were transported in vans and buses to the Waco Convention Center downtown, which was also under tight security....

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/W...304043711.html
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Yes. Region 1 TX COC&I Meeting.

Houston is Region 3 of the TX COC&I

No idea why the media is mentioning it was a recruiting event.
So many of the people there were just attending a normal COC meeting and probably weren't even involved in the mess.
Kind of you off when you consider they arrested every single biker there that had a vest on, regardless if they were involved or not.
Every one of them are being processed and held on $1M bail if the press reports are accurate.
Guilt by association.
It's no different than arresting every sport bike rider at PP1 when a group of sport bikes run from LEO....
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So many of the people there were just attending a normal COC meeting and probably weren't even involved in the mess.
Kind of you off when you consider they arrested every single biker there that had a vest on, regardless if they were involved or not.
Every one of them are being processed and held on $1M bail if the press reports are accurate.
Guilt by association.
It's no different than arresting every sport bike rider at PP1 when a group of sport bikes run from LEO....
And that's why sane people stay away from PP1... Guilt by association. Or just generally not wanting to be associated with squids. If I got a call from a friend who was arrested at PP1 just based on being there, my first remark to him would be "well, why the were you hanging out there in the first place?"
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If 170 people were directly involved in the attack it damned sure would have taken more than 18 officers to end it.
This is a case of probably 15-20 guys.
Don't forget, some of the dead and wounded were shot by police, possibly by mistake.
Not saying what happened is right, but it's being way overblown by the press, and I guarantee the police dept. has a public relations nightmare on it's hands if it's determined that even one of the injured or killed bikers were minding their own business.
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an article that doesn't have the media spin on it. Has anyone else mentioned that SWAT was sitting outside waiting and when it "spilled" out into the parking lot that it was like shooting fish in a barrel?

http://www.agingrebel.com/12873

And I especially liked the part about "The investigation into the massacre is being supervised by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives."


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