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Old 04-28-2015, 01:03 PM   #41
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Should've added this to my previous post.

Something is to be said about what Jack Miller's team did to him when he showed up for testing after jumping straight to MotoGP from Moto3. They turned off almost all the electronics and made him learn the bike first. As he got quicker he asked for them and they said he wasn't ready. Gradually they started turning them up/on once he learned the fundamentals of racing a bike of that caliber. Crawl-walk-run.
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I suck at trail braking and this caused my lowside at Cresson (Ty also thought my choice in tires played a big part). I have tens of thousands of miles on the road and staying on the front brake while leaned over just goes against everything I was taught. I took the MSF course when I got my permit at 15 and they said never touch the front brake unless the bike is straight up and down. It's a flaw in the course but it's geared for a different crowd I guess. I've been trying to trying to relearn how to ride for the past year and a half.

I've never even come close to a highside but I know it's and elbows when it happens. The lowside was at least a great confidence booster in the gear though. Slid for a bit and felt fine. Rode another 3 sessions. Tombstone was the corner that got me.

The 1299S has cornering ABS and I was hoping between that and TC it might mitigate lowsides.
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I thought you were fine Dave, although I thought your reasoning was somewhat off.

We don't know each other's situations. What one guy is comfortable spending on a track bike might be completely different than the next. I agree with your statement that I don't need $3k wheels or a new R1M to be fast.

Again, I put consistency over speed at this point, but what harm could be done in buying the better bike to begin with if it's in the cards? Especially if I know I have to live with this being my track bike for the next 4-5 years?
I'm not sure what reasoning was off? I never commented on what people are comfortable spending simply a way to be faster with a given amount of money. For example a brand new rider could spend $25k on a new Yamaha r1m. What lap time do you think he would run at msrh? Now take a new rider that spent $2500 on a used ninja 300 and $22500 on track days and associated costs. What will his lap times be?

So my only point is you will be just as fast on a $6-8k bike as a $12k+ bike for a long time. After market wheels are particularly worthless mod unless you are close to breaking records. So slow down, take some time to find the right bike. Especially since you said you are taking a huge pay cut soon.
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Race & track ready bike. You can crash it as little or as much as you want. Let's make a deal.

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Race & track ready bike. You can crash it as little or as much as you want. Let's make a deal.

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Should've added this to my previous post.

Something is to be said about what Jack Miller's team did to him when he showed up for testing after jumping straight to MotoGP from Moto3. They turned off almost all the electronics and made him learn the bike first. As he got quicker he asked for them and they said he wasn't ready. Gradually they started turning them up/on once he learned the fundamentals of racing a bike of that caliber. Crawl-walk-run.
Counterpoint: Ben Spies won his WSBK by "riding around" the electronics. He tried to do the same thing in motogp...instead of working with the electronics and making them work for him...and wasn't competitive.
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I'm not sure what reasoning was off? I never commented on what people are comfortable spending simply a way to be faster with a given amount of money. For example a brand new rider could spend $25k on a new Yamaha r1m. What lap time do you think he would run at msrh? Now take a new rider that spent $2500 on a used ninja 300 and $22500 on track days and associated costs. What will his lap times be?

So my only point is you will be just as fast on a $6-8k bike as a $12k+ bike for a long time. After market wheels are particularly worthless mod unless you are close to breaking records. So slow down, take some time to find the right bike. Especially since you said you are taking a huge pay cut soon.
Dave, we're on the same page and arguing the same point to a degree. I wouldn't hang with most of the experts on 250's on my 600. I think the wheels got brought up because someone was just trying to point out it's not uncommon to see a track bike worth $10k+. I have already agreed with you that as of right now, those wheels would be of no benefit me. I'm also with you on the fact that I would probably be just as fast on a '08 r6 vs. a newer one. If I've read right, the 08's and 09's actually made more power. Albeit a trivial amount. I never said I would be sacrificing funds for lessons, tires etc because of the price of the bike. $6k or $12k, I'm planning on the same amount of track time and continued private instruction.

My motivation behind the mentioned newer r6 parallels my upcoming change in income when I quit my current job. Under 1000 miles, spare motor, lots of extras, clean and never been down. Work has been documented and I know I won't have to touch a thing or worry about a major mechanical failure anytime soon. I don't want to have to invest much more over the next few years in the bike itself. I said I have no problem buying cheaper and older if I can find something in similar condition. I scour the CMRA and WERA classifieds daily in hopes of finding something. I'm not in a huge hurry. I'm interested in this for the same reason I buy new vehicles for my wife and I instead of used. It's not the performance, it's peace of mind in knowing what I'm getting.

Somehow I missed the ad you posted. It does seem like a well setup bike but having been down, I would have to see it in person.

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What some call band aids others might view as requirements when you're on a bike with 180+HP, brakes that are better than the best racing spec brakes from 10 years ago, tires that allow unbelievable lean angles and suspension thats virtually good enough to race on from the factory.

Those elctronics don't hide poor skill or a lack of talent. They increase safety and allow the rider to focus on what's important besides "did I twist the throttle too much or can I get this slowed down to make the next turn".
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So if you spend $6k on a bike rather than $12k and do the same amount of track time, where is the extra $6k going?
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So if you spend $6k on a bike rather than $12k and do the same amount of track time, where is the extra $6k going?
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Im pretty sure he is buying a brand new r6 and its including track body work and a few upgrades that most have for that price
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So if you spend $6k on a bike rather than $12k and do the same amount of track time, where is the extra $6k going?
Hookers and blow.

Who cares. It was money I had set aside as disposable. But now it will probably just stay in that account. I don't look at the money in the sense that I was planning on spending x amount, spent less, so what should I spend the rest on.
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I'm just saying, the difference will cover 6 months of racing based on your estimates. In the end I guess it's your money, just trying to pass on some experience.
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I'm just saying, the difference will cover 6 months of racing based on your estimates. In the end I guess it's your money, just trying to pass on some experience.
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Front tires have come a long way. Would of been on my ear hole at least five times trail braking like this back in the day!

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=450534488438155
I think in the real world that guy probably would have been too considering that's a video of a video game lol.

But video games have certainly come a long way!
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Front tires have come a long way. Would of been on my ear hole at least five times trail braking like this back in the day!

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