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Old 10-25-2015, 01:19 PM   #581
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let the drama begin .. holy

i have watched the replay a few times, I don't know if MM made himself crash or if rossi hit something on his bike. Remember its the right hand side and we know whats on that side of the bike. His bike seemed pretty straight up for the front to just wash like that

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Old 10-25-2015, 01:47 PM   #582
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Let's get this straight. ROSSI DIDNT KICK MARC. Race direction decided he didn't and from several views that Rossi's foot didn't come off the foot peg until Marc was already crashing. Rossi's only mistake was forcing Marc wide and going way off the normal line. Marc went down from his own doing.
NO, you need to get it straight. I've been watching on a 110" screen. From the track outside view you can visibly see Rossi raise his leg and kick in Marquez's direction before Marquez goes down. You can't see his foot in that angle. From the overhead view can see his foot kick at Marquez before Marquez goes down. You need to learn to deal with reality.
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NO, you need to get it straight. I've been watching on a 110" screen. From the track outside view you can visibly see Rossi raise his leg and kick in Marquez's direction before Marquez goes down. You can't see his foot in that angle. From the overhead view can see his foot kick at Marquez before Marquez goes down. You need to learn to deal with reality.
Is that why race direction said he didn't kick Marc? Marc already made contact with Rossi before his leg moved.
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NO, you need to get it straight. I've been watching on a 110" screen. From the track outside view you can visibly see Rossi raise his leg and kick in Marquez's direction before Marquez goes down. You can't see his foot in that angle. From the overhead view can see his foot kick at Marquez before Marquez goes down. You need to learn to deal with reality.
NO, you need to get it straight, LOL. Marquez clearly runs into Rossi intentionally to move him back towards the race line. Once there is pressure being placed on Rossi and his bike by Marquez, as seen by Rossi's knee puck defecting into his own gas tank, Rossi applies reverse pressure (as any smart rider would do) and applies pressure with the appearance of a kick. He only reacted to being run into. Watch it again. Then ask why race control didn't hit him with a fine for kicking. they just penalized him for intentionally leaving the race line to impede another rider's path.

Also, if Marquez got kicked, he's be throwing a tantrum on the gravel. He's not. He's reflecting on his own immaturity as a racer, once again.

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IMHO, I need to say. Clearly I wasn't there.
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I've been hoping Rossi would win the championship, from the race and that video above, he lifts his leg and kicks at MM bike, MM goes down and Rossi's leg follows the bike down.

MM claims he kicked his brake lever, I imagine that would show up on the bikes data recorder as well as the broadcast telemetry. I don't see how anyone can defend Rossi for that move, he slowed down and looked back twice and very clearly instigated the contact.

I don't think the punishment fit the crime, he should have either been given a drive through penalty or disqualified altogether. The only reason they threw that pathetic penalty down was for the sole purpose of keeping the drama and ratings up for the last race.
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I've been hoping Rossi would win the championship, from the race and that video above, he lifts his leg and kicks at MM bike, MM goes down and Rossi's leg follows the bike down.

MM claims he kicked his brake lever, I imagine that would show up on the bikes data recorder as well as the broadcast telemetry. I don't see how anyone can defend Rossi for that move, he slowed down and looked back twice and very clearly instigated the contact.

I don't think the punishment fit the crime, he should have either been given a drive through penalty or disqualified altogether. The only reason they threw that pathetic penalty down was for the sole purpose of keeping the drama and ratings up for the last race.
So after reading about why the penalty was what is was, I think that was after all the right decision by race direction. I still think any other rider would have been given a ride through at the very least.

As others have said in some other posts, I would really like to see MM data. Some crazy racing these last two week.
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I've been hoping Rossi would win the championship, from the race and that video above, he lifts his leg and kicks at MM bike, MM goes down and Rossi's leg follows the bike down.

MM claims he kicked his brake lever, I imagine that would show up on the bikes data recorder as well as the broadcast telemetry. I don't see how anyone can defend Rossi for that move, he slowed down and looked back twice and very clearly instigated the contact.

I don't think the punishment fit the crime, he should have either been given a drive through penalty or disqualified altogether. The only reason they threw that pathetic penalty down was for the sole purpose of keeping the drama and ratings up for the last race.

You're right it would show up on the telemetry and the race director would have reviewed that telemetry data. He came to the conclusion that Rossi didn't kick Marc.
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You're right it would show up on the telemetry and the race director would have reviewed that telemetry data. He came to the conclusion that Rossi didn't kick Marc.
Except that he didn't. The race director Mike Webb, said there was no video shot clearly shownibg the kick, he just didn't have the smoking gun, so it was not considered. He also only mentions video data. It is presumptuous to assume he had HRC's data downloaded reviewed and presented at the hearing immediatly after the race. He simply didn't need, nor seek it, and arrived at a decision which keeps things intersting.

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/22459...unishment.html

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Except that he didn't. The race director Mike Webb, said there was no video shot clearly shownibg the kick, he just didn't have the smoking gun, so it was not considered. He also only mentions video data. It is presumptuous to assume he had HRC's data downloaded reviewed and presented at the hearing immediatly after the race. He simply didn't need, nor seek it, and arrived at a decision which keeps things intersting.

http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/22459...unishment.html

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So they can put Dani Pedrosa telemetry up on a live broadcast but can't get the racing director the telemetry. Sounds legit.
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After watching it from that angle, there is no doubt in my mind that Rossi intentionally kicked his brake lever. From that angle you see that MM didn't ram into Rossi's leg like everyone seems think he did.

You can clearly see that there is slight contact, Rossi looks back, kicks at his brakes and MM immediately goes down, HARD!!! What bothers me the most, is people I race against, say's he deserved it and they would do it too.

I started that race really pulling for Rossi, I wanted him to win over Jorge. I didn't buy into Rossi's thought that MM was playing with him. I think that statement caught everyone by surprise after the Australian GP. MM before that statement said he overheated his tires when he took the lead and had fallen back to let them cool down.

In the broadcast to the Malaysian GP they stated before any of the hard racing between the two. That MM was having problems with front end grip all weekend and he had complained about it, like he's had all season with the Honda.
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So they can put Dani Pedrosa telemetry up on a live broadcast but can't get the racing director the telemetry. Sounds legit.
Only the basic data you see on TV is allowed to be sent via telemetry. Everything else, including the stuff you'd be intersted in here like brake pressure and steering head angle, belongs to the team and would need to be taken off the data logger first.

In either case the "kick", if there was even one, was completely irrelevant. It was neither proved nor disproved by Race Direction and it had nothing to do with the penalty.

What I think did it in for Rossi was he not only came off line, but waited there until contact was made before resuming. This you can see clearly by looking at his front forks, which only pitch back up after contact. That is how I belive race direction decided that he initiated the contact eventhough you can see it was Marquez helmet first hitting his Rossi's leg.


The real irony of this whole thing is Rossi's tittle chances just got better...

With 7 points Lorenzo needs to again beat one of the Honda riders. A finish in 2nd place and Rossi off the podium would bring Lorenzo the title.

If he doesn't, and Lorenzo comes 3rd, Rossi would only need a 6th place in Valencia to seal the title. Considering the large gap behind the top 4 riders, a 6th place is not as impossible as it may seem, even from the back of grid.

Alternatively had Marquez finished between them here in Sepang, then a 2nd by Lorenzo in Valencia would have put Rossi in a must win situation to get the title.
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Kind of says it all. Rossi was tired of MM and say f*ck off and MM fell. Yes I believe that MM was deliberately toying with Rossi but unfortunately that's within the rules. If Rossi had a better pace it would have been a nonissue and Rossi couldve caught up with the leaders. I really dont think Rossi was intentionally trying to hit MM brake lever as he was looking forward when the fck off knee went out. If the championship becomes out of reach for Rossi as the race goes on at Valencia itll be interesting to see if Rossi goes out to find MM on track.
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You guys are effing blind and biased if you can't see that Rossi caused him to wreck by pushing off with his foot on MM brake or clip on. Rossi's own team manager and team mate have condemned the move.
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