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Old 03-30-2015, 07:36 PM   #21
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Actually Ducati is competitive because they are riding in different rules. They get softer tires and more fuel and a few other advantages. Once they win a race or score a few seconds, they will have to ride with the same rules ad the other factory riders. So they will fall back if they win. So really they really aren't
The softer tyre is really only beneficial in Qualifying, from memory I think they've only ever used the softer options available just the once in race conditions and it didn't hold up.

It's a great ruling imo, the Ducati has been able to refine and develop in a way the old rules prohibited and hopefully we'll see Suzuki do the same. When they are close to a par the concessions will stop. Makes sense to me.

I think the straight line speed we saw yesterday out of the Duc is certainly down to the extra fuel allowance, time will tell.

Great to see the Italians back though
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Oh and if Pedrosa doesn't suit up for COTA, I really hope Nicky H gets the spot
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The softer tyre is really only beneficial in Qualifying, from memory I think they've only ever used the softer options available just the once in race conditions and it didn't hold up.

It's a great ruling imo, the Ducati has been able to refine and develop in a way the old rules prohibited and hopefully we'll see Suzuki do the same. When they are close to a par the concessions will stop. Makes sense to me.

I think the straight line speed we saw yesterday out of the Duc is certainly down to the extra fuel allowance, time will tell.

Great to see the Italians back though
I agree, the rules made for great racing.
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Holy ....I've been avoiding this thread like the plague ....just watched the race...what a way to start the season...
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Actually Ducati is competitive because they are riding in different rules. They get softer tires and more fuel and a few other advantages. Once they win a race or score a few seconds, they will have to ride with the same rules ad the other factory riders. So they will fall back if they win. So really they really aren't
Ducati used they same tires as everyone in the field except Rossi used a harder front tire. Ducati already said they limit the fuel usage to the regular factory amount. Ducati finally got the front end fixed and have always had more power than the others. Now that they aren't ridiculously slow everywhere besides the straights they are competitive.
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I hope a good rider that doesn't have a busted wrist gets the spot. Maybe they should use their test rider.
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http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/21665...al-ducati.html

More info on the Ducati and their statement that they used 22 liters or less in all the races last year.
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Ducati used they same tires as everyone in the field except Rossi used a harder front tire. Ducati already said they limit the fuel usage to the regular factory amount. Ducati finally got the front end fixed and have always had more power than the others. Now that they aren't ridiculously slow everywhere besides the straights they are competitive.
You are incorrect. ...read the facts

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More info on the Ducati and their statement that they used 22 liters or less in all the races last year.
What they said they used and what they are allotted is two different things.

We'll see what they really got when they are under the same rules. I hope Ducati is competitive

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More info on the Ducati and their statement that they used 22 liters or less in all the races last year.
They said that losing the fuel won't be that bad compared to losing there software privileges. Then we'll see what they got
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That link also specifies that Ducati currently only uses 22liters of fuel. And in the race they ran the same tires as everyone else and ran 3rd and 4th fastest lap times in the race, beating out both Honda riders in placement and fastest lap times.
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That link also specifies that Ducati currently only uses 22liters of fuel. And in the race they ran the same tires as everyone else and ran 3rd and 4th fastest lap times in the race, beating out both Honda riders in placement and fastest lap times.
I distinctly remember them saying they were running softer tire in the fs1 broadcast. Let me watch the race again (have it recorded) and I'll tell you when they said it exactly
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I distinctly remembering motogp saying Ducati and Honda were on medium fronts and everyone had medium rears. Watched it just now again, they said the same thing again. Several teams last year proved the soft tires will only help in qualifying because they won't hold up for the race distant.
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That link also specifies that Ducati currently only uses 22liters of fuel. And in the race they ran the same tires as everyone else and ran 3rd and 4th fastest lap times in the race, beating out both Honda riders in placement and fastest lap times.
Read the part (Factory options with concessions) it applies to Suzuki, Aprilia and Ducati.

Factory riders can pick between medium and hard front and rear tires. Rossi was the only one to pick a hard rear tire.

Factory with concessions can ride have a extra option to run softer tires, like Dovi and Iannone did. Lorenzo picked a medium rear but struggled at the end because the foam in his helmet blocked his view from what I understand. Not a good look for HJC
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Read the part (Factory options with concessions) it applies to Suzuki, Aprilia and Ducati.

Factory riders can pick between medium and hard front and rear tires. Rossi was the only one to pick a hard rear tire.

Factory with concessions can ride have a extra option to run softer tires, like Dovi and Iannone did. Lorenzo picked a medium rear but struggled at the end because the foam in his helmet blocked his view from what I understand. Not a good look for HJC
Except dovi and Iannone didn't run their soft option tire, they ran the medium tires. Just like every other swinging on the grid besides Rossi and he won. Would you like a screen shot of the tires they used?
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So once again, Ducati used the same tires that are available as factory riders. Rossi used the hard front, not rear and Jorge brought a helmet to the race.

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