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Old 03-29-2015, 11:51 PM   #21
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You're right. Rotella doesn't have the friction modifiers that are problematic in wet clutches but that doesn't mean it's good oil for hi revving motorcycles. The word on the streets is that Rotella is the same as moto specific oils but cheaper, which isn't true. Bluewave stated that he calls bullshit that car specific oils don't have an impact with wet clutches but he uses Rotella. His point is moot. He's right, he shouldn't have any clutch problems but that doesn't make my statement not true. Rotella is designed for high soot/low revving engines. It doesn't have the same shear rating that moto specific oils do. Will it work? Probably. Would I risk it in my motorcycle? He'll no! I do remember him having trouble with his bike and had to tear the motor down. Soooooo I don't know why he's so adamant. Lol
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Old 03-30-2015, 05:56 AM   #22
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Was always running conventional. Last week I went to synthetic.
It's in a 08 Honda CBR 1000.
Now in higher gears, 4, 5, & 6, it slips.
Switching to synthetic, would that cause my clutch to slip?
I thought it was the other way around.

Once you go to synthetic you can't go back.....
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Shell Rotella T FTW

Can someone please quote all of BW's posts so I can see what he is saying?
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Shell Rotella T FTW

Can someone please quote all of BW's posts so I can see what he is saying?
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:13 AM   #25
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Ok - this is a GREAT oil thread. I believe I have my answer because I was truly waiting for someone to tell me - dood, your clutch is . But that doesn't seem to be the case.
YES - I did run full synthetic. high milage car oil from Castrol.
I now have a brand new filter.

So- at this point (price is not an issue) I think I'll go with Mobil 1 motorcycl synthetic. This is what I ran in my all my other bikes and never had an issue.

Any one care to make a better suggestion? All ears (or eyes in this case, since it's text).

Seems to be a lot of controversy about Rotella. I thought you melted Velvita in that stuff for ceso dip.....
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So- at this point (price is not an issue) I think I'll go with Mobil 1 motorcycl synthetic. This is what I ran in my all my other bikes and never had an issue.
So why did you switch to Castrol car oil?
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From the spec sheet for T-6 it looks like it is JASO MA certified. Isn't that the test for wet clutches?

http://s02.static-shell.com/content/...6-brochure.pdf
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Ok - this is a GREAT oil thread. I believe I have my answer because I was truly waiting for someone to tell me - dood, your clutch is . But that doesn't seem to be the case.
YES - I did run full synthetic. high milage car oil from Castrol.
I now have a brand new filter.

So- at this point (price is not an issue) I think I'll go with Mobil 1 motorcycl synthetic. This is what I ran in my all my other bikes and never had an issue.

Any one care to make a better suggestion? All ears (or eyes in this case, since it's text).

Seems to be a lot of controversy about Rotella. I thought you melted Velvita in that stuff for ceso dip.....
Shell Rotella T, because I highly doubt you will see the last of your current bike due to engine wear.
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Old 03-30-2015, 10:00 AM   #29
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From the spec sheet for T-6 it looks like it is JASO MA certified. Isn't that the test for wet clutches?

http://s02.static-shell.com/content/...6-brochure.pdf

Yeah pretty much there is absolutely nothing wrong with using Rotella T. It's just a bunch of purists hating on it.
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I cant be the only one that knows Rotella comes in Synthetic. I also did not mean Rotella is the same formula as Mobile 1. I said just as with the Rotella, Mobile 1 doesnt seem to cause clutch slippage.
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Read the first few replies and skipped to add that if you purchased a synthetic oil that says "Energy Saving" "Energy Conserving" or anything about energy conservation ANYWHERE (i've seen it in the very fine print at the bottom of bottle before)

You want to skip that oil.

Also, not necessarily required but a good certification to look for is the JASO-MA seal, you can be assured that if the oil is certified in this respect that it is barred of any energy conservation materials and completely safe for wet clutches

For example, the rotella T5 or T6 (cant remember) i ran in my sv650 didnt say energy conserving on the box in big letters anywhere but did say it on the fine print. I found this out after having ran it for 3-4k miles and luckily no ill affects happened but I wont be making that mistake again.

Sorry you're having problems such as this, my best advice would be to drain it immediatley before anything worse starts happening, and return to the oil you've had luck with already.
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I've used non moto specific Mobil 1 full syn MANY the majority of the life of my bike. Over 50,000 miles on original clutch.
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Ok - this is a GREAT oil thread. I believe I have my answer because I was truly waiting for someone to tell me - dood, your clutch is . But that doesn't seem to be the case.
YES - I did run full synthetic. high milage car oil from Castrol.
I now have a brand new filter.

So- at this point (price is not an issue) I think I'll go with Mobil 1 motorcycl synthetic. This is what I ran in my all my other bikes and never had an issue.

Any one care to make a better suggestion? All ears (or eyes in this case, since it's text).

Seems to be a lot of controversy about Rotella. I thought you melted Velvita in that stuff for ceso dip.....
If you've ran Mobil1 4T in the past I'd stick with it for peace if mind at the very least. I run Mobil1 full synthetic in all of my vehicles aside from the dirt bike (Bel-Ray) and have for years. Sure there might be other oils or others that are cheaper, but I just stick with what's worked for me over the years.
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I cant be the only one that knows Rotella comes in Synthetic. I also did not mean Rotella is the same formula as Mobile 1. I said just as with the Rotella, Mobile 1 doesnt seem to cause clutch slippage.
Up until recently the synthetic Rotella apparently contained friction modifiers and did not meet the wet clutch rating standards. That has recently changed.
Conventional rotella T has always met these standards.

Oh I did not realize who I was replying to. Guess I wasted my time typing this up. Perhaps someone else will find it interesting.
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my best advice would be to drain it immediatley before anything worse starts happening, and return to the oil you've had luck with already.
Flush that out with some rotella T.

Drain the rotella and then put whatever in
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Spends 10k on bike.

Wants to jew for $5-10 on oil changes.

SOme sense here.
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Use whatever you want. I'm using straight weight 30 Dino car oil for break in for my 250. Clutch isn't slipping but I'm only pushing 265ccs lol.

My 250 holds less than 2 qts and rides at 11k daily. Redline is at 13+. Add racing so it'll Shear down quicker than bigger bikes due to poor oil cooling and volume.
The bearings looked when I toor down the motor.

You can switch back an forth with Dino and synthetic. The only time you'll see a problem is your bike is old and and failing apart and all the old Dino cake was holding together.
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The bearings looked when I toor down the motor.
Is that good or bad?
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The bearings looked fine when I tore the engine down for rebuild.

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