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Old 03-29-2015, 06:22 PM   #1
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Switched from conventional oil to Synthetic

Was always running conventional. Last week I went to synthetic.
It's in a 08 Honda CBR 1000.
Now in higher gears, 4, 5, & 6, it slips.
Switching to synthetic, would that cause my clutch to slip?
I thought it was the other way around.

Once you go to synthetic you can't go back.....
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You have to buy motorcycle specific oil or it will slip. Car oil has friction inhabiters in it and will cause the clutch to slip and yes you can change back conversational oil with no issues.
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Old 03-29-2015, 06:39 PM   #3
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You probably put car oil in the bike.
As for going back and forth between non-synthetic it wont hurt the bike. Just make sure you also change the filter.
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I call bs on the must that it's Moto specific. I've run no Moto specific in EVERY bike I've owned. There are a few that might slip though. I've seen amsoil Moto specific cause the same issue. What oil did you use? I've never had an issue with mobile one or rotella
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I call bs on the must that it's Moto specific. I've run no Moto specific in EVERY bike I've owned. There are a few that might slip though. I've seen amsoil Moto specific cause the same issue. What oil did you use? I've never had an issue with mobile one or rotella
It's not BS. Not all automotive oils have Moly, but who wants to read the back of every oil can looking for ingredients when you can buy moto specific oil that has "For wet clutches" right on the front of the jug?
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Friction modifiers additives are only a small percent of the total oil
product and help the base oil do things that it otherwise could not...
Additives fall into several basic categories but Moly is the most
often used friction modifier because it has such a high melting
temperature (4730 F versus 2795 F for iron), it works great as a
high-temperature, high-pressure antiwear agent. Some claim that
because moly is so slick, it can cause clutch slippage...
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Switched from conventional oil to Synthetic

When you change oil at the frequency used, you dont bother hunting down Moto oil or paying the high price for it. For years I changed at less 1000 miles due to most of my miles being 1/4 mile. You want to test a clutch? Tell me a better test than drag racing. Like I said, even amsoil Moto would slip under those conditions. Never had an issue with mobile one or rotella. No need to test them all or even read bottles. The Google already knows all this.
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When you change oil at the frequency used, you dont bother hunting down Moto oil or paying the high price for it. For years I changed at less 1000 miles due to most of my miles being 1/4 mile. You want to test a clutch? Tell me a better test than drag racing. Like I said, even amsoil Moto would slip under those conditions. Never had an issue with mobile one or rotella. No need to test them all or even read bottles. The Google already knows all this.
Actually Rotella is a diesel oriented oil and doesn't have friction modifiers in it. Moto specific oil isn't much more than car oil. 4 or 5 bucks difference for the whole oil change isn't wort the risk. The "SL" and "SN" ANSI rated auto oils are supposed to have the most of the slippery stuff in it. Do you know if you were using those type oils? Rotella has a "C" rating which doest have any. This may be the reason you didn't have much trouble.
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It's not just the cost although it more than a 5.00 difference. It's a trip 3 miles down the road to walmart for rotella.
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Either way. The point is that is non Moto specific doesn't have to slip a clutch. Rotella works fine as well as mobile one. They are probably the most commonly used non Moto specific oils.
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Either way. The point is that is non Moto specific doesn't have to slip a clutch. Rotella works fine as well as mobile one. They are probably the most commonly used non Moto specific oils.
No it doesn't. Rotella has a low shear weight and for high revving motors it breaks down too quick.

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There are a ton of people using it religiously. Search it.
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Was always running conventional. Last week I went to synthetic.
It's in a 08 Honda CBR 1000.
Now in higher gears, 4, 5, & 6, it slips.
Switching to synthetic, would that cause my clutch to slip?
I thought it was the other way around.

Once you go to synthetic you can't go back.....
Did you get the recall on the clutch? I run the Honda HP4 10/40 in mine.
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There are a ton of people using it religiously. Search it.
There a ton of people that don't know any better. Rotella is cheaper than other synthetic oils. It says for diesel motors on the freaking bottle. I don't need to search anything about Rotella, I've already done so and wouldn't put the stuff in my bikes to save a couple dollors.

Did you read the thread I posted?
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You really think the bike is gonna last to the point a difference in oil is going to make a difference ? Lol. I did at least 500 1/4 mile passes on rotella before an engine tear down and rebuild. 500 + passes and 12k miles. Bearing wear was negligible. Cylinder wall wear wasn't visible. The cost of the oil wasn't that big a factor. I'm not hurting for oil money. Lol
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Like, a metric TON! I know a lot of people who run it religiously with absolutely no problems at all.
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Who the runs the bikes to the point that the bearing wear is the issue?
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I think oils are designed for specific things. Why, would you choose Rotella over all the synthetic oils. You mentioned Rotella is the same as Mobil one. If you think it's the same (its not) then why did you go with Rotella if price wasn't the factor?
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Like, a metric TON! I know a lot of people who run it religiously with absolutely no problems at all.
Because it's cheap "sythetic". It jew oil...

Go look at the shear weight of rotella compared to other moto specific oils.
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Because it's cheap "sythetic". It jew oil...

Go look at the shear weight of rotella compared to other moto specific oils.
I'm just saying that there's a lot if guys using it with no problems. I use Mobil1 4T religiously in the street bike and Bel-Ray in the dirt bike. I use moto specific oils, but the Rotella seems to perform great in wet clutches. But, you won't catch me running it, I'll just take their word for it and let them keep doing their thing.
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I'm just saying that there's a lot if guys using it with no problems. I use Mobil1 4T religiously in the street bike and Bel-Ray in the dirt bike. I use moto specific oils, but the Rotella seems to perform great in wet clutches. But, you won't catch me running it, I'll just take their word for it and let them keep doing their thing.
You're right. Rotella doesn't have the friction modifiers that are problematic in wet clutches but that doesn't mean it's good oil for hi revving motorcycles. The word on the streets is that Rotella is the same as moto specific oils but cheaper, which isn't true. Bluewave stated that he calls bullshit that car specific oils don't have an impact with wet clutches but he uses Rotella. His point is moot. He's right, he shouldn't have any clutch problems but that doesn't make my statement not true. Rotella is designed for high soot/low revving engines. It doesn't have the same shear rating that moto specific oils do. Will it work? Probably. Would I risk it in my motorcycle? He'll no! I do remember him having trouble with his bike and had to tear the motor down. Soooooo I don't know why he's so adamant. Lol
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