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Old 06-14-2007, 09:33 AM   #141
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i do have to disagree on christ being a christian. jesus christ was jesus christ, not a christian. jesus did not make men christian, men made jesus christ a christian. jesus was a teacher and a philosopher who talked to and taught people, who spread his own ideas and words, not xianity. xianity is man made.

charles darwin was not a darwinist. charles darwin was charles darwin who happened to develop his own theories and ideas with the last name of Darwin. people who follow him are darwinists.
Ok, typically, when a person developes a methodology, they are obviously devoted to said methodology and therefore are the inaugural members of said methodology- though the term may be credited to its respective author retrospectively- ala Christ was a Christian, Martin Luther was a Lutheran, Confucius was a Confucianist, Buddha was a Buddist, Darwin was a Darwinist, Stalin was a Stalinist, Arius was an Arianist, Reagan was a Reaganomic, etc...
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Glad you brought that up. I'm not really sure, I'd credit it to bad interpretations. The only thing bad is to do it in excess. Drinking is not a sin but to drink to the point of drunkeness may very well be.
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Ok, typically, when a person developes a methodology, they are obviously devoted to said methodology and therefore are the inaugural members of said methodology- though the term may be credited to its respective author retrospectively- ala Christ was a Christian, Martin Luther was a Lutheran, Confucius was a Confucianist, Buddha was a Buddist, Darwin was a Darwinist, Stalin was a Stalinist, Arius was an Arianist, Reagan was a Reaganomic, etc...
To some extent I would agree with this idea but this is a very simple approach to a large number of religous sects you just noted and if you follow the doctrines of many of the ones listed you will find that Christ was not a Christian he was a Jew and Buddha was not a Buhddist because Buddha never started a religion. Although we could analyze each one a little deeper and some could say that determinig a path would make you the first of that path. It is definetly a hard thing to determine but I would stick with what the people in question called themselves. That is the easiest and most logical answer.
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To some extent I would agree with this idea but this is a very simple approach to a large number of religous sects you just noted and if you follow the doctrines of many of the ones listed you will find that Christ was not a Christian he was a Jew and Buddha was not a Buhddist because Buddha never started a religion. Although we could analyze each one a little deeper and some could say that determinig a path would make you the first of that path. It is definetly a hard thing to determine but I would stick with what the people in question called themselves. That is the easiest and most logical answer.
Sometimes, simple is the best, most logical option/approach. With considerations to some of the items listed above: Sure Jesus was a Jew, but can we honestly say that his method of thinking and revolutionary ideas follow the exact same methodology as the Jews or of the Jewish doctrine? No, he for instance referred to himself as the Messiah and Jews at the time and currently believe that to have been false. That withstanding and to reiterate, the fact that he had ideas independant of anything else at the time, he was a Christian. Buddha perhaps did not start the religion but I'm thinking he started the way of thinking or set the standard observed and practiced my modern day Buddhists. Correct me if this is not the case, I will be the first to admit that I am not highly knowledgeable about the intricate details of Buddhism, I do however believe that his name is in use for a reason. I feel you though, always good to look deeper, I just think this is one of those things in life that doesn't necessarily warrant too much analysis because it's simple; just like Bushism's. Besides, I feel that with enough scrutiny, any argument can be given the perception of having been defeated, just have to know how to play with words. Look at the OJ case, he was as good as convicted...just so happened that Johnny was a helluva communicator.
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Sometimes, simple is the best, most logical option/approach. <SNIPPED>(take note Cherub, lol) Look at the OJ case, he was as good as convicted...just so happened that Johnny was a helluva communicator.


You are still using waaaaay too many words to argue that simple is best.
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You are still using waaaaay too many words to argue that simple is best.
:laughing6 Which is why you are my newly appointed editor
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You are still using waaaaay too many words to argue that simple is best.
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:laughing6 Which is why you are my newly appointed editor

That would require too much

Here's my letter of resignation instead


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That would require too much

Here's my letter of resignation instead


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^^ just a play on words there


NOW, who can it be that makes us debate this issue? WWho divides us and pits brother against brother..Who gives us half truths and half lies.
Hmmmmmm.....Hmmmmmm...Who can that be???

Could it be,




Could it be,























































SATAN!!!!!!!!


remember SNL???? The church lady??:laughing6 :laughing6 :laughing6 :laughing6
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(Donald Trump voice) You were FIRED anyhow...I was working on the paperwork...

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Bummer...

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Bummer...

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Even the poosy did you wrong.
You're gonn answer for that when she sees it lol :laughing6
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why do some christian denominations consider drinking a sin , jesus himself used to drink wine ????
Im going to say that they take some scriptures to the extreme. like it says dont drink in exess, but their take on the scripture is dont drink at all. :dont know:
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Glad you brought that up. I'm not really sure, I'd credit it to bad interpretations. The only thing bad is to do it in excess. Drinking is not a sin but to drink to the point of drunkeness may very well be.
guess i should have kept reading.
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Sometimes, simple is the best, most logical option/approach. With considerations to some of the items listed above: Sure Jesus was a Jew, but can we honestly say that his method of thinking and revolutionary ideas follow the exact same methodology as the Jews or of the Jewish doctrine? No, he for instance referred to himself as the Messiah and Jews at the time and currently believe that to have been false. That withstanding and to reiterate, the fact that he had ideas independant of anything else at the time, he was a Christian Buddha perhaps did not start the religion but I'm thinking he started the way of thinking or set the standard observed and practiced my modern day Buddhists. Correct me if this is not the case, I will be the first to admit that I am not highly knowledgeable about the intricate details of Buddhism, I do however believe that his name is in use for a reason. I feel you though, always good to look deeper, I just think this is one of those things in life that doesn't necessarily warrant too much analysis because it's simple; just like Bushism's. Besides, I feel that with enough scrutiny, any argument can be given the perception of having been defeated, just have to know how to play with words. Look at the OJ case, he was as good as convicted...just so happened that Johnny was a helluva communicator.
To my knowledge, Jesus did not ever claim to be a Christian, He said " I am the Messiah. I am the Way, The Truth and The Life."
Messianic prophecy was fulfilled by the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Many Jews didn't accept Jesus as their Messiah, those that did became the Jewish sect later known as the Christians.
Actually, most people aren’t afraid of Jesus at all. They’re afraid of Christians. Look at the way many Christians act, and who can deny this fear. Arcane rituals, flamboyant preachers, money, power, hypocrisy – Do these present a real picture of who Jesus is, and who He wants us to be? No. However, Jesus did not ask us to follow men and religion, He asked us to follow Him.
Jesus Christ declared “I am the Truth,” but clearly, many of us have created our own concepts of truth. Moral relativism and religious pluralism pervade our culture. Truth is redefined daily.
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To my knowledge, Jesus did not ever claim to be a Christian, He said " I am the Messiah. I am the Way, The Truth and The Life."
Messianic prophecy was fulfilled by the Messiah, Jesus Christ. Many Jews didn't accept Jesus as their Messiah, those that did became the Jewish sect later known as the Christians. Actually, most people aren’t afraid of Jesus at all. They’re afraid of Christians. Look at the way many Christians act, and who can deny this fear. Arcane rituals, flamboyant preachers, money, power, hypocrisy – Do these present a real picture of who Jesus is, and who He wants us to be? No. However, Jesus did not ask us to follow men and religion, He asked us to follow Him.
Jesus Christ declared “I am the Truth,” but clearly, many of us have created our own concepts of truth. Moral relativism and religious pluralism pervade our culture. Truth is redefined daily.
I realize that he (Jesus), himself did not proclaim himself a "Christian" but to reiterate a point from the past, neither did Charles Darwin consider himself a Darwinist, yet he was in fact a Darwinist due to his new ideology and method such as Jesus, with considerations to his new and different methodology than that of the Jews, implemented a new way to worship making him the first Christian given he was the first in a new line of thinking/reasoning. I'm not sure any other way I can say it, but his ideas were new. Sure the Jewish and Christian faiths share many characteristics, which is why we share 50% of a book. The Jews refer to the Torah (Old Testament) alone for spiritual advice, while Christians refer to both the Old and New Testaments for spiritual guidance. There are however a few distinct differences between the Jews and the Christians, so let's veer from attempting to clump them together or to somehow dilute the two in such a way as to attempt to add any validity to the argument against Christ being a model Christian. He was the model for Christianity. He is what all Christians hope to be although they will never achieve it because he was perfect and we as humans will never be capable of achieving such perfection. I will also say that just because a few different groups of individuals have mis-interpreted, mis-reprsented and effectively out-right NOT LIVED according to those teachings given us in the Bible, does not mean that Christianity as a whole is bad nor are those actions mentioned above representative of the whole of the Christian faith. Such is the reason why the Bible constantly reminds us that the Church is the people and NOT the physical church or even those institutions presuming themselves to implement church policy such as the Catholic Church. I however digress, the point is...being that Jesus Christ both started the methodology we recognize today as Christianity AND acted as the model or standard for the end-goals associated with the practice of Christianity, he was effectively a model Christian. If you disagree, then you just diagree....can't waste any more time making this argument as I think I've run out of ways to say it
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