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Old 06-13-2007, 01:06 AM   #101
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you mean you dont have any...........that sucks
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I currently don't have any named .
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LOL i have one named bob.
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ive chosen not to dedicate my mind and faith to any one or any way of being but to learn from all the faiths, beliefs, etc. ive come to the conclusion that there exists a conciousness all around us, all the time. nothing has been left to chance. there is reason driving everything.
I am not going to get into some long drawn out discussion on the matter, but I feel it necessary to address a few things that were presented in the following piece. I noticed that your post was not given-what was in my opinion-its warranted attention. Noctem-you are fully entitled to your opinion and I appreciate your inputs, but it would seem that you present your arguments under the assumption of absolute exactness. Such a statement as "xianity, along with ANY 'organized religion', is arrogant, simple minded and is cheating itself" is laughable and in and of itself arrogant, because for one, you insist it as if it were absolutely true and verifiable and two, because of the magnanimous or high-minded nature of the statement-you basically disrespected all Christians by replacing the Christ with an "x". The question(s) I would pose is/are: why the fear of the use of a name/phrase (Christ, Christian,etc) ? Could it be that there is some ultimate truth you are avoiding showing respect for? I have found-within the context of history- that those things which people have violently feared realizing, in the past...were in fact ultimate truths that for one reason or another, that group of people did not want to realize. An example would be with the history of blacks in the seventeen and eighteen hundred's, mostly in the United States. There were supposed scientific studies conducted to prove that blacks were not indeed human, but rather some wild breed of animal. This was actually one of the justifications for using blacks in the slave trade-they were not human. What ended up happening was that people began to realize that blacks were infact human and had the capacity for learning and excelling in all facets of education, athletics and the arts. Some whites, at the time, were violently against the idea of a black man being capable of acquiring the same levels of cerebral, physical and other achievements as were whites-Hitler actually walked out of the 1936 Olympics because a black man (Jesse Owens) had beaten his superior white counterparts. To segway, Hitler's regime would be another example of violent contempt for the above stated ultimate truth and that would be the equality of blacks to whites, Jews to whites, etc. He attempted to "x" out the Jews (pun intended) so as to create his own truth which would be the figurative equivalent of your replacing the "Christ" in Christian with an "x". In the end, we don't and won't know who is absolutely correct until the point of judgement. We can only go on faith. Yes, there's that word again-faith. Believe what it is that you choose to believe, but try not to be so belligerent in your arguments against someone elses belief system. Anyhow, I will proceed with addressing a few things, but mainly correcting- what I deem to be- a few false assumptions presented in your arguments below:
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ive chosen not to dedicate my mind and faith to any one or any way of being but to learn from all the faiths, beliefs, etc. ive come to the conclusion that there exists a conciousness all around us, all the time. nothing has been left to chance. there is reason driving everything.
Out of pure curiousity: Why continue calling whatever the entity that you believe in "the consciousness"? Is not an omnipotent being/entity/deity a ? Do you believe that this consciousness is a multitude of beings/entitites/deities and therefore, that is why you persist in calling it a "consciousness" so as to give considerations to it's multi-faceted, multitudinis nature? I am not attacking you, but merely seeking a better understanding of where it is you are coming from.

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...if xianity really, seriously thinks it can narrow something like , whatever may be, down into a book a few symbols and certain interpretations. how can you justify that? how can you actually follow something like that? if there is an existing eternal then someone please tell me how you can basically filter down into a label that is xianity, or islam or any of the other words we would try yet fail to describe what this conciousness is. thats all xianity is, a filter, a numbing agent to what the conciousness is and can be.
I think you misunderstand the Bible. The point of the Bible is not to explain or his existence but rather, a means of telling one how to live his life while here on earth. Think of it- the Bible- as an employee handbook, this handbook is not a means of explaining the point of, methology and overall goals of the company, but rather is a means of informing the employee how they are to act while employed with the company. An employee handbook will not feature the net gains or losses for a company, it will not feature a monetary history of the company-it simply tells the employee how they are to conduct themselves as employees of this great company.

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let me pose these questions.

was/is Jesus a christian? no.
Actually, Jesus was a Christian, he was Christ. Kinda like Charles Darwin was a Darwinist.

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And in response I would ask...

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Then why is it sooooo important that we follow this xian indoctrination or any template of beliefs for that matter in which we must constrict our way of thinking and living? why is it soooooo important that we title ourselves as any one constriction?
Without direction, we know not where we are going. It is only important for you and I- as individuals- to follow the path we feel is right to travel. I, personally, feel that I am on the right path and will attempt to guide you in the right direction, if you decide however to continue on, I will not attempt to push you any further. You can make your own choices as to what you will do with your life, I would only ask that you give due dilligence in studying a belief system before berating it. I don't know whether or not you have studied Christianity, or the Bible with any true attention-perhaps you have- but the fact that you had considered the Bible an end all, tell all book about life and the purposes for our being here and expected of it some sort of explaination as to exactly what is and why he does what does, would illuminate the fact that whoever had been teaching you wasn't exactly doing a great job. They neglected to inform you of key concepts of the book and perhaps overstated the books purposes and capabilities.

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Cmon people, Jesus was the ULTIMATE free thinking philosohper, the ultimate rebel, much like Socrates. do you really think he wanted people on their knees before him? nah. i think he wanted to teach and for others to learn and find inspiration. i think he wanted people asking questions and empowering themselves with knowledge. but was he more than man? who knows? was he larger than life? most definitely. do you think he or have ever been concerned with quibbling over labels and titles? of course not. they had more important issues on the table. the conciousness, , jesus, ALL of them are teaching us and you dont have to be a xian to learn from them. you dont have to be anything but you. just listen.
I agree, we should all be critical of what it is we choose to believe. It has been said that it is good to have an open mind but insists that it is not good to have one's mind so open that your brain falls out. The Bible DOES NOT say that it is a sin for one to question from time to time. You can question, see Lamentations to see just how much questioning a former author of the Bible was able to get away with without fear of reprisal. In the beginning of Lamentations 2, he gets pretty fiery. Was he condemned to ? No. is not limited by our inability as humans to forgive when questioned. Was he (Jeremiah) pretty disrespectful in his questioning of the Lords decisions? Sure, but he was genuinely concerned and hurt by some of the things the Lord had done, but was in the end repentful for his very own reactions once given understanding.

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i think its the conciousness wanting me to ask something and to think for myself, not to get down onto my knees. i think they want us to try and figure out what were here for. the messages are subtle but they are all around us.
The funny thing is that, for the most part, I agree with this assertion. The Lord DOES want us to think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions on whether or not to follow. Such is why we have the choice and are not mindless zombies worshipping some unforgiving deity. We were born with the free will to hear his name and choose not to worship. Many on here and around the world say that they need proof in order to believe in him. I can hardly knock them becauser I am very scientific in mind and method, but I choose to have faith in this one thing without large amounts of empirical evidence because I feel so strongly in what it is that I believe and that is in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. If you choose not to believe that, then that is very much your choice. I just hope that you've given the concept due attention and having done that...NOT experienced a change in your life. If that is the case then so be it-believe as you will, IN what you will-just try not to be so disrespectful in your contempt for others beliefs. Again, thanks for your inputs and I truly hope you find peace in whatever it is you choose to believe in

Sorry for the book ladies n gents, but I think Noctem's post warranted an equitable reply. Hopefully I was able to provide as much.
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Out of pure curiousity: Why continue calling whatever the entity that you believe in "the consciousness"? Is not an omnipotent being/entity/deity a ? Do you believe that this consciousness is a multitude of beings/entitites/deities and therefore, that is why you persist in calling it a "consciousness" so as to give considerations to it's multi-faceted, multitudinis nature? I am not attacking you, but merely seeking a better understanding of where it is you are coming from.



I think you misunderstand the Bible. The point of the Bible is not to explain or his existence but rather, a means of telling one how to live his life while here on earth. Think of it- the Bible- as an employee handbook, this handbook is not a means of explaining the point of, methology and overall goals of the company, but rather is a means of informing the employee how they are to act while employed with the company. An employee handbook will not feature the net gains or losses for a company, it will not feature a monetary history of the company-it simply tells the employee how they are to conduct themselves as employees of this great company.



Actually, Jesus was a Christian, he was Christ. Kinda like Charles Darwin was a Darwinist.



And in response I would ask...

Was/is Bill Gates Microsoft? No, he was/is the Creator



Without direction, we know not where we are going. It is only important for you and I- as individuals- to follow the path we feel is right to travel. I, personally, feel that I am on the right path and will attempt to guide you in the right direction, if you decide however to continue on, I will not attempt to push you any further. You can make your own choices as to what you will do with your life, I would only ask that you give due dilligence in studying a belief system before berating it. I don't know whether or not you have studied Christianity, or the Bible with any true attention-perhaps you have- but the fact that you had considered the Bible an end all, tell all book about life and the purposes for our being here and expected of it some sort of explaination as to exactly what is and why he does what does, would illuminate the fact that whoever had been teaching you wasn't exactly doing a great job. They neglected to inform you of key concepts of the book and perhaps overstated the books purposes and capabilities.



I agree, we should all be critical of what it is we choose to believe. It has been said that it is good to have an open mind but insists that it is not good to have one's mind so open that your brain falls out. The Bible DOES NOT say that it is a sin for one to question from time to time. You can question, see Lamentations to see just how much questioning a former author of the Bible was able to get away with without fear of reprisal. In the beginning of Lamentations 2, he gets pretty fiery. Was he condemned to ? No. is not limited by our inability as humans to forgive when questioned. Was he (Jeremiah) pretty disrespectful in his questioning of the Lords decisions? Sure, but he was genuinely concerned and hurt by some of the things the Lord had done, but was in the end repentful for his very own reactions once given understanding.



The funny thing is that, for the most part, I agree with this assertion. The Lord DOES want us to think for ourselves and come to our own conclusions on whether or not to follow. Such is why we have the choice and are not mindless zombies worshipping some unforgiving deity. We were born with the free will to hear his name and choose not to worship. Many on here and around the world say that they need proof in order to believe in him. I can hardly knock them becauser I am very scientific in mind and method, but I choose to have faith in this one thing without large amounts of empirical evidence because I feel so strongly in what it is that I believe and that is in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. If you choose not to believe that, then that is very much your choice. I just hope that you've given the concept due attention and having done that...NOT experienced a change in your life. If that is the case then so be it-believe as you will, IN what you will-just try not to be so disrespectful in your contempt for others beliefs. Again, thanks for your inputs and I truly hope you find peace in whatever it is you choose to believe in

Sorry for the book ladies n gents, but I think Noctem's post warranted an equitable reply. Hopefully I was able to provide as much.
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And i think with religion alot of people talk in absolutes. Cause if they didnt that would mean what they believed in isnt true..........or would it? Just throwing that thought out there.
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I added my piece in there. if its not relative who would know LOL
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See, Arturo can back me up on this!:laughing6 Happy Anniversary Sassy Chassis...The end is near!!!AHHHHHHHHH!
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