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Old 06-12-2007, 12:42 PM   #41
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There are some MH'Ride Smart that ARE dinosaurs... Faith is very personal, you can't 'assess' someone else's faith, nor do I believe should you.
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remember carbon dating has been under fire because of dates tha'ts aren't "millions" of years but are a couple thousand. dinosaurs are where my faith shakes.
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That seems funny to not believe in Dinosaurs when you can go to a museum and see their bones, but believe in a you've never seen. Faith back-firing at it's finest!

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remember carbon dating has been under fire because of dates tha'ts aren't "millions" of years but are a couple thousand. dinosaurs are where my faith shakes.


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Old 06-12-2007, 12:48 PM   #45
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If we're going to discuss Christianity, then we need to get back into the word and see what the Lord says, not about what this or that person feels what is right about a certain situation.

1Arm, I'd love to sit down with you and share the Gospel, straight out of the Book of John. For now though, I'll ask..

What have you done that makes you a Christian? There is only one right answer.


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allow me to drop this one on you all.... (I'm pretty busy today so I probably won't debate this, so take with a grain or two of salt, smile, and hit me up later:icon_bigg )

My problem with church, is that it is merely one person's interpretation of the Bible and how we should live and I'm supposed to take that as "the way". We all interpret things differently and if I simply needed an interpretation, I can do that myself. How do I know what is correct and what is not? How do I know the Bible I'm reading now is correct and accurate after being translated and interpreted time and time again over a couple thousand years? Man has a tendency to exaggerate and fabricate things unintentionally. How do I know this hasn't happened over the past 2000 years? Imagine how many people have translated and interpreted the Bible and it's teachings.....you don't think that lines have been skewed a time or two? How do I know Christianity is the one and only right religion? How can I say all the other religions are wrong if I have no way to prove or disprove anything? Why does the bible only mention heaven, , and earth? Is is not arrogant to think that in this enormous universe that we live in that we are the only beings in it and we are the sole "children" of ? If Christianity is "The" religion then how did so many beliefs come about while everyone claims they are correct while others are wrong and will be condemned to Damnation for all eternity?
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Just believing in does not make you a Christian. The word Christian means to be Christ-like. You can believe all day, but if you don't live like Christ would live, then you are not a Christian. There is also a difference between making mistakes, and willfully 'sinning' just because you like it! will forgive us for our mistakes, but he knows our hearts and knows if we are intending on changing our ways or not.

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but then theres the argument of "time" not being aligned with todays standards.
or x days to equals 1000s of years.

you cant deny barney...
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but to me that equates to blind following. I need proof of things, that's where my dilemma is. I don't know how to get around that.

my proof is me, i shouldnt be here, but i am
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This is obviously a thread I do not need to be involved with. You guys and gals should try reading some other books or atleast a few different versions of the bible. :laughing6
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This is obviously a thread I do not need to be involved with. You guys and gals should try reading some other books or atleast a few different versions of the bible. :laughing6
once again tha'ts where faith comes in faith in your bible faith in your religion.
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remember the key point in science is the disprove there is a . bible speaks we are the only people in the universe science wants to go to mars. still find nothing. everytime it seems science is slapped right back in the face by reality.
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This is obviously a thread I do not need to be involved with. You guys and gals should try reading some other books or atleast a few different versions of the bible. :laughing6
who said I haven't?
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remember the key point in science is the disprove there is a . bible speaks we are the only people in the universe science wants to go to mars. still find nothing. everytime it seems science is slapped right back in the face by reality.
so you say Science is unrealistic???? Even though science deals with facts and proof and not "faith"?:eh:
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so you say Science is unrealistic???? Even though science deals with facts and proof and not "faith"?:eh:
i just say science is trying to rival and trying to combat a being that is many times over smarter than we can ever hope to be.
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remember the key point in science is the disprove there is a .

That is not the key point of science. Never has been, never will be.

You can't prove a negative.


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bible speaks we are the only people in the universe science wants to go to mars. still find nothing. everytime it seems science is slapped right back in the face by reality.

The universe is much larger than just our tiny solar system. You're off by an bazillion orders of magnitude.
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everyone sins we were born into a world of sin, i believe everyone knows right from wrong we make our own choices then ask for forgiveness based on what we've done, nobody is perfect and knows that
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The universe is much larger than just our tiny solar system. You're off by an bazillion orders of magnitude.
what's the point in cloning what's the point in finding life on mars. and so forth.
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what's the point in cloning

Organs for transplants, new limbs to re-attach? Endless possibilities. :dontknow:



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Same reason we search for new life on earth. Still tons of species yet to be discovered here. Lots to learn, maybe new medicines and yes, understanding our origins. :icon_bigg
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what's the point in cloning what's the point in finding life on mars. and so forth.
to learn about our universal habitat. We know jack about our universe (comparatively speaking) so it is in shear educational purposes.

Can we turn to the Bible to teach us about the Universe?
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Matthew 18
1At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

6But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

7Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

8Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into fire.

10Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.

12How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?

13And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.

14Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

18Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

21Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

23Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

24And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.

25But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.

26The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

27Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.

28But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.

29And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

30And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.

31So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.

32Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:

33Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?

34And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.

35So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
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to learn about our universal habitat. We know jack about our universe (comparatively speaking) so it is in shear educational purposes.

Can we turn to the Bible to teach us about the Universe?
should we be learning about those things are learning about pleasing and oing his work. his pupose for putting us on earth was never to look at other worlds.
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