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Old 06-12-2007, 11:19 AM   #21
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i say i live my life the way i see fit, knows what i do before i do it, i feel that he uses me in a diffrent way, im not perfect, nor are the people i talk to or know. i just feel he knows me and accepts me.
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Yep. We are, after all, human.

I sin, I ask, and I pray for myself as well as others. I can't sit in church because I don't have the patience for the kids who scream and play around. It's me off.
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dude i'm just saying the bible says "faith without works is dead."

I'm not passing judgment I'm saying what the bible says. and that's what the passage means. please don't get upset with me like i'm passing judgment on you.

not saying you past judgement.

all this is for arguments sake
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If we're going to discuss Christianity, then we need to get back into the word and see what the Lord says, not about what this or that person feels what is right about a certain situation.

1Arm, I'd love to sit down with you and share the Gospel, straight out of the Book of John. For now though, I'll ask..

What have you done that makes you a Christian? There is only one right answer.


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Yep. We are, after all, human.

I sin, I ask, and I pray for myself as well as others. I can't sit in church because I don't have the patience for the kids who scream and play around. It's me off.
allow me to drop this one on you all.... (I'm pretty busy today so I probably won't debate this, so take with a grain or two of salt, smile, and hit me up later:icon_bigg )

My problem with church, is that it is merely one person's interpretation of the Bible and how we should live and I'm supposed to take that as "the way". We all interpret things differently and if I simply needed an interpretation, I can do that myself. How do I know what is correct and what is not? How do I know the Bible I'm reading now is correct and accurate after being translated and interpreted time and time again over a couple thousand years? Man has a tendency to exaggerate and fabricate things unintentionally. How do I know this hasn't happened over the past 2000 years? Imagine how many people have translated and interpreted the Bible and it's teachings.....you don't think that lines have been skewed a time or two? How do I know Christianity is the one and only right religion? How can I say all the other religions are wrong if I have no way to prove or disprove anything? Why does the bible only mention heaven, , and earth? Is is not arrogant to think that in this enormous universe that we live in that we are the only beings in it and we are the sole "children" of ? If Christianity is "The" religion then how did so many beliefs come about while everyone claims they are correct while others are wrong and will be condemned to Damnation for all eternity?
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allow me to drop this one on you all.... (I'm pretty busy today so I probably won't debate this, so take with a grain or two of salt, smile, and hit me up later:icon_bigg )

My problem with church, is that it is merely one person's interpretation of the Bible and how we should live and I'm supposed to take that as "the way". We all interpret things differently and if I simply needed an interpretation, I can do that myself. How do I know what is correct and what is not? How do I know the Bible I'm reading now is correct and accurate after being translated and interpreted time and time again over a couple thousand years? Man has a tendency to exaggerate and fabricate things unintentionally. How do I know this hasn't happened over the past 2000 years? Imagine how many people have translated and interpreted the Bible and it's teachings.....you don't think that lines have been skewed a time or two? How do I know Christianity is the one and only right religion? How can I say all the other religions are wrong if I have no way to prove or disprove anything? Why does the bible only mention heaven, , and earth? Is is not arrogant to think that in this enormous universe that we live in that we are the only beings in it and we are the sole "children" of ? If Christianity is "The" religion then how did so many beliefs come about while everyone claims they are correct while others are wrong and will be condemned to Damnation for all eternity?
all that you asked is where the word faith comes in. faith that it is right and etc.
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all that you asked is where the word faith comes in. faith that it is right and etc.
but to me that equates to blind following. I need proof of things, that's where my dilemma is. I don't know how to get around that.
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but to me that equates to blind following. I need proof of things, that's where my dilemma is. I don't know how to get around that.
one word faith. faith in something unknown or something that there's no physical proof of.
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i call myself a christian because of what i believe, i believe that the christian is real, he knows me, he knows me like i know the back of my hand.

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Just believing in does not make you a Christian. The word Christian means to be Christ-like. You can believe all day, but if you don't live like Christ would live, then you are not a Christian. There is also a difference between making mistakes, and willfully 'sinning' just because you like it! will forgive us for our mistakes, but he knows our hearts and knows if we are intending on changing our ways or not.
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one word faith. faith in something unknown or something that there's no physical proof of.
that reminds me of that South Park episode where the evolution teacher told Mr. Garrison "well I suppose if I said there's a great big spaghetti monster you'd believe that too because you can't disprove it!":laughing6 I'm not trying to mock anyone or anything, just thought it's funny because it kind of makes sense. Faith sounds like a cop out for not having proof. That makes me feel uneasy. As someone who thinks freely, I cannot bring myself to simply believe something because someone else tells me so. I need undeniable proof.

I am NOT saying I don't believe in , rather I am saying I don't believe the Christian stories on how it came to be. I do believe there is a higher power at work, for one simple reason....cognitive thinking. We are all made up of atoms that come together to make a living organism, but how does our thought process just happen? But then maybe it's something so advanced for us, we just credit it to a higher power.....obviously I am struggling with this and need a little direction. (and no, reading the bible to me will not suffice.)
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that reminds me of that South Park episode where the evolution teacher told Mr. Garrison "well I suppose if I said there's a great big spaghetti monster you'd believe that too because you can't disprove it!":laughing6

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Just believing in does not make you a Christian. The word Christian means to be Christ-like. You can believe all day, but if you don't live like Christ would live, then you are not a Christian. There is also a difference between making mistakes, and willfully 'sinning' just because you like it! will forgive us for our mistakes, but he knows our hearts and knows if we are intending on changing our ways or not.
there you go. tha'ts what i've been trying to say but in a nice well put short message.
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do Christians not believe in Dinosaurs?
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What people don't ask themselves is why they believe in their . I bet 99.9% of the cases, it's what they were taught to believe. You may argue for your and christian ways, but the truth is, if you were born in certain other places, you would not believe in christianity. Luck o' the draw I guess.

Then you have the parents who go a step further and name their kid Christian (no offense chris, lol) ... although i've yet to run across a kid named Jew, Muslim or Pagan. :laughing6
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do Christians not believe in Dinosaurs?

Most do, but some don't. The dating of the fossils conflicts with the age of the earth described by the xian bible.

Search youtube and you find a lot of videos of xians who are now trying to argue that dinosaurs ARE mentioned in a bible. Just not with that name.

... and yes, there are some MH'Ride Smart that do not believe in dinosaurs.
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Most do, but some don't. The dating of the fossils conflicts with the age of the earth described by the xian bible.

Search youtube and you find a lot of videos of xians who are now trying to argue that dinosaurs ARE mentioned in a bible. Just not with that name.

... and yes, there are some MH'Ride Smart that do not believe in dinosaurs.
That seems funny to not believe in Dinosaurs when you can go to a museum and see their bones, but believe in a you've never seen. Faith back-firing at it's finest!
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