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Old 06-11-2007, 01:32 PM   #1
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Average Speed Camera

This might need to be moved, but the way I see it this is definitely moto-related!


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Texas DOT to Install Federally Funded Highway Speed Cameras
Despite the opposition of the state legislature, the Texas Department of Transportation proposes a federally funded speed camera test.

Despite the near-unanimous opposition in the state legislature to the use of speed cameras, the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is moving forward on a proposal to deploy photo radar on state highways using federal gas tax funds. Legislation awaiting Governor Rick Perry's signature prohibited only municipalities -- like Marble Falls and Rhome -- from installing automated speeding ticket systems. It was silent on the possibility of a state-run system (read legislation).

TxDOT began searching in April for a vendor that, using federal funds, would allow the agency "to assess and evaluate all elements of an automated speed notification system." Once selected, the vendor would operate an average time speed camera test for at least six months on Interstate 10 near El Paso and State Highway 6 near College Station.

Time-distance ticketing systems use multiple cameras spaced far apart on a freeway. Each car is photographed once as it enters the first section of road. Miles later a second photograph is taken that allows the vehicle's average speed to be calculated from the time it took to travel between the two locations. In use in Britain under the trade name SPECS, these cameras are commonly referred to as "yellow vultures" and are among the most lucrative in the country.

In its request for proposals, TxDOT cited success of speed cameras in the UK, which generated 120 million (US $240 million) in revenue in 2003, and in Washington, DC, which has generated $217 million in revenue with its red light and speed cameras since 1999. TxDOT's vendor will send notices -- warnings at first -- to motorists driving just 5 MPH over the limit with an accuracy level of +/- 2 MPH, meaning those driving just 3 MPH over the limit could receive a photograph and letter in the mail.

The River Cities Daily Tribune, which first reported the story last week, noted that TxDOT also ordered Marble Falls to remove its speed camera van from state highways in April citing safety concerns.

"How hypocritical is that?" Marble Falls Mayor Raymond Whitman told the Daily Tribune. "I have a bit of a problem with it, not because they're using the camera, but because if it's unsafe for us to use, how can it be safe for the state to do it?"

A full copy of the TxDOT speed camera request for proposals is available in a 219k PDF file at the source link below.

Source: Automated Speed Notification Services (Texas Department of Transportation, 4/1/2007)
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I hope they stop this.
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Old 06-11-2007, 01:34 PM   #3
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Is there anyone fighting it; AMA, etc.?
Any lists of people we can e-mail, write or call?
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Big brother strikes again!!! Bastards! All about the f ucking money....nothing more, nothing less.
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They will come up with a device that goes over the lic plate that cannot be recorded. Then there is not a problem with this for speeders. They have something already that when you take a pic of the lic plate it scrambles it, so I would think someone can come up with something similar for a camera.

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"Each car is photographed once as it enters the first section of road."
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What I dont get is that the State told those 2 cities that they could not operated speed cameras because they were unsafe...only to turn around and operate their OWN speed cameras.

Patrick: I dont know who we could contact about this, but Im sure there has got to be someone. If all else fails we could all contact our State Representative.

But if this goes through...Ill be taking 36 or 105 to 45 to get to Houston from now on!
(not that I speed, but I will not stand against the injustice of it )
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=JETG]They will come up with a device that goes over the lic plate that cannot be recorded. Then there is not a problem with this for speeders. They have something already that when you take a pic of the lic plate it scrambles it, so I would think someone can come up with something similar for a camera.
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Take two self-confessed speed freaks yeah, that would be Adam and Jamie and pit them against the people's nemesis: speed cameras. The result: an action-packed adventure full of fun, fascination and, best of all, fast cars. Can speed cameras be beat by speeding faster than they can click? How about using license plate protectors or changing lanes to avoid the camera's eagle eye? Adam and Jamie put the pedal to the metal to crack these myths. Meanwhile in "Exploding Nitro Patches," Kari, Grant and Tory explore the myth that when the paramedic shouts "Clear!" and the defibrillator vents, its volts may start more than a heart.
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Here this is what I am talking about, this should work

http://www.radarbusters.com/photo-ra...iew&key=OTA006

illegal simply because Texas just stiffen enforcement of laws preventing ANY portion of the license plate to be blocked from view.
Which means any frame like that, or from the dealer, or the cool chrome-looking, plastic chain frames from wal-mart are all against the law.
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Here this is what I am talking about, this should work

http://www.radarbusters.com/photo-ra...iew&key=OTA006
yeah they tested that and it did not work
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yeah they tested that and it did not work
If youre referring to that Mythbusters episode, the things they tested didnt work, but thats because they didnt test any real stuff, like radar/laser jammers, scramblers and real license plate covers. They couldnt show you ways that could actually work and help someone break the law. Lawyers run hollywood dont ya know!
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If youre referring to that Mythbusters episode, the things they tested didnt work, but thats because they didnt test any real stuff, like radar/laser jammers, scramblers and real license plate covers. They couldnt show you ways that could actually work and help someone break the law. Lawyers run hollywood dont ya know!
Your probably right But I would jsut prefer to cover my plate up with Newspaper then chunk it later :-)
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Your probably right But I would jsut prefer to cover my plate up with Newspaper then chunk it later :-)
Officer WTF you pull me over for oh I have no idea how that trash got suck on my plate let me remove it post haste, thanks for letting me know about that have a pleasant day
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Hmm were it the link to this test ?? just curious what they actually used product wise..

As for texas and plate laws you are correct. But this is a piece of plastic, ie I think you can still legally have those. Just cannot cover up the texas and certain parts of the lic plate. But if it is clear then it is not actually covering up the plate, making it legal. Or that is how i see it.

Nope. You know how a license plate has that small lip around it that sits just below the face of the plate? Well, thats the only part you can obstruct according to 'da man.'

Makes me smile when I see a cop car with a D.A.R.E frame around their plates. Makes me wanna write them a ticket somehow!
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I saw a kit in one of the brittish bike mags awhile ago. It was for "track day use" on your bike. The license plate bracket would be replaced with a plate in a hinge. The hinge and plate were moved by a servo. The switch for the servo would be up where the rider would have quick and easy access. Speed camera ahead? one flip of a switch... license plate is pulled flat against the undertail... past the camera...hit the switch...back to having a normal plate.


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I had the impression, that in the UK etc they had a real problem with people disabling and vadalising those things.

I'd rather the state spend the friggin $ on real rest areas and getting some road projects done faster.
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I saw a kit in one of the brittish bike mags awhile ago. It was for "track day use" on your bike. The license plate bracket would be replaced with a plate in a hinge. The hinge and plate were moved by a servo. The switch for the servo would be up where the rider would have quick and easy access. Speed camera ahead? one flip of a switch... license plate is pulled flat against the undertail... past the camera...hit the switch...back to having a normal plate.


Cool.
No this sonds Cool! I want 2 of them
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I'd rather the state spend the friggin $ on real rest areas and getting some road projects done faster.

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