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Old 03-20-2015, 01:52 PM   #61
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That turn got me too lol. Have video of it too lol
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Old 03-20-2015, 01:58 PM   #62
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I disagree, you should not be coasting, the bike is unstable, wet or not. Am I saying nail the throttle wide open? No, but even at small lean angles you need to power thru the turn, without the weight transfer your rear tire is doing NOTHING if all the weight is on front tire. You need to get that back tire and it's MUCH wider contact patch working for you.
Of course not "nail" the throttle. But I'll buy you a 6er if you strap on your go pro and take that same corner on wet oil under power at the same speed he did. All you need to do is twitch your handlebar to change the force vector the bike is currently trying to follow and you will not have enough traction on WET OIL to keep the bike up.

I can measure the distance he is traveling using landmarks and time for an accurate speed, but just off the cuff - it sure seems faster than 15 - 20.
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Old 03-20-2015, 02:15 PM   #63
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Of course not "nail" the throttle. But I'll buy you a 6er if you strap on your go pro and take that same corner on wet oil under power at the same speed he did. All you need to do is twitch your handlebar to change the force vector the bike is currently trying to follow and you will not have enough traction on WET OIL to keep the bike up.

I can measure the distance he is traveling using landmarks and time for an accurate speed, but just off the cuff - it sure seems faster than 15 - 20.
Not if you CHOP the throttle. Manage the throttle smoothly (which you CANNOT do if you are coasting) and you can indeed keep it upright when it starts to slip.

Coast thru turn (at any speed) and you have ZERO chance to recover, nor will bike attempt to.

Roll-on smoothly with good throttle control and you have SOME chance that either the bike will recover or you can ride it thru.

Have you watched the video posted above? There is an ENTIRE section on just this subject. And what it didn't say was "be sure to coast thru a corner that has little traction to be sure you don't crash." What it did talk about is minimizing lean angle, or bringing the bike upright once loss of traction is detected by managing the throttle. And in fact shows video of how powering thru the turn when traction is lost is possible.
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Old 03-20-2015, 02:18 PM   #64
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Of course not "nail" the throttle. But I'll buy you a 6er if you strap on your go pro and take that same corner on wet oil under power at the same speed he did. All you need to do is twitch your handlebar to change the force vector the bike is currently trying to follow and you will not have enough traction on WET OIL to keep the bike up.

I can measure the distance he is traveling using landmarks and time for an accurate speed, but just off the cuff - it sure seems faster than 15 - 20.
Trust me it was slow...I only slid about 10 feet. My jeans were not even torn, just dirty.
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That turn got me too lol. Have video of it too lol
post it up bro!

mine is really sweet to watch in HD, and slo-motion. You can hear everything grinding. It's just not the same on youtube.

I still can't believe i picked the bike up like that lol

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Not if you CHOP the throttle. Manage the throttle smoothly (which you CANNOT do if you are coasting) and you can indeed keep it upright when it starts to slip.

Coast thru turn (at any speed) and you have ZERO chance to recover, nor will bike attempt to.

Roll-on smoothly with good throttle control and you have SOME chance that either the bike will recover or you can ride it thru.

Have you watched the video posted above? There is an ENTIRE section on just this subject. And what it didn't say was "be sure to coast thru a corner that has little traction to be sure you don't crash." What it did talk about is minimizing lean angle, or bringing the bike upright once loss of traction is detected by managing the throttle. And in fact shows video of how powering thru the turn when traction is lost is possible.
Video of totally dry track conditions - - - - Ne didn't mention anything about powering thru or clutching. No information on why he had the lowside. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Those conditions are worlds apart.

Again - put on your go pro and ride the oily center of the lane that's covered with water drops and power thru. THAT's the video I want to see.

or if someone knows of one already exsisting - post it.
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Video of totally dry track conditions - - - - Ne didn't mention anything about powering thru or clutching. No information on why he had the lowside. I don't know what point you're trying to make. Those conditions are worlds apart.

Again - put on your go pro and ride the oily center of the lane that's covered with water drops and power thru. THAT's the video I want to see.

or if someone knows of one already exsisting - post it.
Twist of the Wrist II, Keith Code. Video posted in this thread.

And yes he DID show how to deal with slippery conditions.
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Old 03-20-2015, 04:10 PM   #68
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post it up bro!

mine is really sweet to watch in HD, and slo-motion. You can hear everything grinding. It's just not the same on youtube.

I still can't believe i picked the bike up like that lol
Yep, I remember that video!

here's mine. quality due to old laptop.
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Old 03-20-2015, 04:11 PM   #69
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Sucks that you went down Doodle. Hope you recover quickly man, your bike can be fixed or replaced.
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Old 03-20-2015, 04:18 PM   #70
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Where is this turn you went down at? I want to know.
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lol almost the exact same lowside

at almost the exact same spot

same color kawasaki came to rest in the same position

at least yours didn't hit the track skirt, mine went a little airborne over it resulting in a badly bent handlebar.
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Old 03-20-2015, 05:22 PM   #72
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Doodle, Thanks for posting the video.
Regardless of what the fault of the off was, it's a good reminder to all of us to be careful and ride at full awareness.

I had a lady make a right turn in front of me from the left lane today. Scary as . Happy to have made it out without incident.
The one time I've been down on the street was due to a lady trying to make an exit in front of me from the left hand lane. I so hate it when people do that, its the one thing that sets off my road rage and with thoughts of wanting to follow them and .... who knows. It really gets my goat!

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Absolutely NOT on water covered oil. SLOW down, keep the bike upright as much as possible. Wet track conditions are bad enough, but wet street with oil???? Add power???? Adding force to the front tire on water covered oil will NOT give you better traction. It will INCREASE you chance of going down. For sure, you will be sharing a hospital room. The ratio of gripping area to weight (not traction force) will be significantly reduced.

Go ahead and power through on wet oil if you want.
Just have total coverage on your bike and expect pain.

Strap on your go pro, power thru with these conditions and show me how you do this.
I'm no expert but I will say this, never coast... be on the gas on on the brakes particularly on the streets. Being on the gas or on the brakes helps preserve your geometry through out the turn, it properly balances the loading of the tires front to rear, and it let's drivers behind know you are slowing and when you aren't slowing you are pulling away from them.

That was all probably pretty poorly worded but you get the idea. Modulate the throttle and clutch if necessary for a smooth transition, and a DRAG(not stomp) of the rear brake if needed to slow(not stop)/decrease turn radius but coasting I've always heard unnecessarily loads the front.



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Lot's of construction going on right there and in the video it clearly appears a bit sketchy to me with something clearly on the pavement through the whole turn.
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or you could just clutch in amd coast till youve made the turn. Id say...just depends.
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or you could just clutch in amd coast till youve made the turn. Id say...just depends.
What a great suggestion! why didn't anybody think of that sooner?
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What a great suggestion! why didn't anybody think of that sooner?
All this talk bout throttling through a turn in the rain.

Who actually rides in the rain.
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Who wants to go meet up at this turn for some time trials and stunting?
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Who wants to go meet up at this turn for some time trials and stunting?
You do. Post your video
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The cool kids that rode to Hemphill, Texas last week on a 4 day trip
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