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Old 07-03-2005, 01:56 PM   #141
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

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I wasn't referring to anyone in particular but I will add this for you;
Yes it's a track day, and the speeds are somewhat off "race pace". But, if you've never ridden TWS (Texas World Speedway) before, I'd still take C group to orient yourself with the track. Riding the track is different than the street. The track is designed to challenge / fool you. It's much braoder in a lot of places and the reference points are not as clear as on the street where there is roughly 15' of lane.
One of the most common causes of novice track crashes is becoming "lost" in the corner. Being in the middle of a high speed turn and not knowing where the line is can be not fun / catastrophic.
Some people, very few, can ride a track once and pick up the pace right off, Brandon is one of those people, sometimes it's just amazing to watch him go. He also has the unique ability to immediately input any change we give him about lines, braking points etc., but as I said, he's more of the exception than the rule.
As long as I've been doing this, this is what works for me: Whenever I go to a new track I'll take a couple of laps to get my bearings and then start working on a couple of corners at a time to drop seconds.
Whatever group you decide on, have fun, don't try to pressure yourself to go too fast too soon, and don't try to learn the whole track at one time.

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Old 07-03-2005, 02:09 PM   #142
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

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Arturo,
I wasn't referring to anyone in particular but I will add this for you;
Yes it's a track day, and the speeds are somewhat off "race pace". But, if you've never ridden TWS (Texas World Speedway) before, I'd still take C group to orient yourself with the track. Riding the track is different than the street. The track is designed to challenge / fool you. It's much braoder in a lot of places and the reference points are not as clear as on the street where there is roughly 15' of lane.
One of the most common causes of novice track crashes is becoming "lost" in the corner. Being in the middle of a high speed turn and not knowing where the line is can be not fun / catastrophic.
Some people, very few, can ride a track once and pick up the pace right off, Brandon is one of those people, sometimes it's just amazing to watch him go. He also has the unique ability to immediately input any change we give him about lines, braking points etc., but as I said, he's more of the exception than the rule.
As long as I've been doing this, this is what works for me: Whenever I go to a new track I'll take a couple of laps to get my bearings and then start working on a couple of corners at a time to drop seconds.
Whatever group you decide on, have fun, don't try to pressure yourself to go too fast too soon, and don't try to learn the whole track at one time.

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Old 07-03-2005, 02:15 PM   #143
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

Didn't know, that's why i asked. The advice still apllies to most people though.

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Old 07-03-2005, 02:38 PM   #144
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

I like B group... it works for me, I've done like 5 trackdays in B group after 1 in C group. I* generally pass quite a bit more than pass me (MSR was the exception). I run consistent 2:08s so until I upgrade my suspension or tires... until then I'll just stick with B.
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

I FOR ONE SHOULD HAVE STAYED IN B GROUP I was a bit hot headed and went in there with the wrong frame of mind. also it's good to listen to the instructors which i didn't do and i think in the end it hurt me. so if it were me again I'd stick with c group and ride it out for a while then move up.

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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

i think i should redo my entire racing start, and go run groupC for a while kekek
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

I've been doing trackdays for 3 seasons... and I still ride in C group!!!

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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

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I've been doing trackdays for 3 seasons... and I still ride in C group!!!*
tim's pullin ya'lls legs a little bit there peeps... b/c he's one of the lstd instructors...

so he pretty much always rides in C... and A... right:
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

patrick hit the nail on the head with the point i was trying to make. sorry for the confusion in the post i seem to have a problem when i talk on here. i forget the person is not right in front of me and cant follow the conversation. i'll work on that one. for those of you that enjoy B group, have at it id say 90% of riding out there is being comfortable. just remember that part of going faster though is pushing that comfort zone close the the end. i hope everyone has a great time, ohh yeah and please if you dont know me stop by the motorcycles unlimited trailer and say whats up that friday.... later dudes
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

are we allowed to camp out the night before? where is everyone setting up?
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Yes, you can... I believe the gates to the track are usually open until 10pm the night before, and I believe it's $10 per vehicle to enter.
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do they offer most stuff like ridesmart like lap timers, water, t-shirts?
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we will have lap timers for rent. i only have a few so first come first serve. as far a t shirts they have those and they provide water and gatorade.
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

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we will have lap timers for rent.* i only have a few so first come first serve.* *as far a t shirts* *they have those and they provide water and gatorade.* *
whats the price for those lap timers and can i buy one somewhere and have it still pick up times at TWS (Texas World Speedway), MSR, NPR?

is it a special beacon?
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

The lap timers rent for $35.00 and sell for $220.00.
They are compatible with all beacons that Ridesmart, LSTD and the CMRA use at all of the tracks.
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The lap timers rent for $35.00 and sell for $220.00.
They are compatible with all beacons that Ridesmart, LSTD and the CMRA use at all of the tracks.
$35.00 is kinda high, Ridesmart has em for $15.00
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But if you rent it from us and want to keep it we credit the rental towards the purchase. right:



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yeah, that would work better i suppose, but only the first $35.00 goes towards the purchase correct??
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Re: July 29th at TWS (Texas World Speedway)...

Yep. Because we're not a track day organizer like Ride Smart we don't have a "guaranteed" number of people renting from us so it's not something we have a good ROI on. We actually started renting them because some of the guys at the track saw we had them for sale and wanted to rent them. It's not something we really pursue.

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LSTD staff will have T-shirts for sale at registration, and free water & gatorade will be in a cooler, outside of the classroom .
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