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Old 06-07-2007, 11:56 AM   #1
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to map or not to map!

ok i have the yoshi tri ovel race bolt ons and k&n filter comeing for my 06 busa, i have been told by stubbs that i need to remap, $70,! i called another dealer in leage city and they say they do not map for just slip ons, so what should i do, go with stubbs and remap or would it make that big a diff! patrick or any other shop owners help! any one help!
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Old 06-07-2007, 12:23 PM   #2
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It's very simple. Install your new stuff and ride your bike for a few days. If you like the way it runs then your all good. If not, map and then maybe dyno.
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I have heard it is a good idea to remap my bike because you get rid of a baffle and a few other parts that affect back pressure. This changes how your engine burns fuel and how clean it burns the fuel... If you install it and it runs really rich your going to be needing that new map.
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I HAD A 600 THAT I MODDED OUT AND I KNOW HOW THE FULL SYS, AFF THE BIKE, HAD A BIG FLAT SPOT IN THE MID RANGE POWER AND I WILL MOST LIKELY GET IT REMAPED BUT WHY WOULD STUBBS SAY YOU NEED TO AND THE OTHER SHOP SAY THEY ONLY DO FULL SYS? SOUNDS KINDA FUNNY TO ME !
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Mapping for a slip on is not required, but you're not getting all the performance you paid for in the pipe if you don't. That & mapping done correctly will get rid of the lean popping you're likely hearing in the exhaust
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to get the full potential out of the slip on a remap is recommended. Since you have a k&n I would say it is mandatory. The filter changes the air flow the the engine and it could be running a little lean with the s/o and the filter combined.
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WELL PUT THEM ON TODAY, TRI OVEL RACE (NO BAFFLES) SO I WILL RIDE THIS WEEKEND AND PUT THE K&N IN ON TUESDAY, HAVE STUBBS REMAP ON FRIDAY! SHOULD BE GOOD FOR THE WEEKEND
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ok i have the yoshi tri ovel race bolt ons and k&n filter comeing for my 06 busa, i have been told by stubbs that i need to remap, $70,! i called another dealer in leage city and they say they do not map for just slip ons, so what should i do, go with stubbs and remap or would it make that big a diff! patrick or any other shop owners help! any one help!

If you do not already have one, order a PCIII from Brock's Racing with a custom map already installed which comes with after the sale support (alternate maps) for $339.00. Get a map and get the full potential from your bike.


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For just slip ons you can get a satisfactory map by using a Yosh box and reflashing the stock ECU.
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My 02 gsxr has slip on and k@n filter.Never been mapped and runs great.Some need to be mapped some dont.But it never hurts
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My 02 gsxr has slip on and k@n filter.Never been mapped and runs great.Some need to be mapped some dont.But it never hurts
I have a full 3 bros on my honda w/o map and it runs fine.
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you guys just remember. It will run like a bat out of for awhile...then the valves burn up and your screwed.
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Most inlines won't have that issue.
Matter of fact, most of them tend to run a little rich down low and in the midrange due to the sensors seeing more air but not knowing how much more.
Lot's of the maps have negative numbers throughout it to compensate for this.

RC's are a whole different breed. Between the flapper mod and installing air filters that flow a whole lot better than stock, you're really changing the intake parameters of the bike. Add a really free flowing exhaust like some Satos and you're way out of the ballpark.

It's one of the reasons RC's can post really good gains with a custom map.
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well i put the yoshis on and rode sunday for a wile and it ran great, they are quieter then stock, and i did not have the filter in yet but will tommaro, i think its running leaner, couse we her out for like 6 hours sunday and i had like no sut or anything in the tail pipe, any way it will get remaped couse i do not want iss, with plugs and valves, or with my warenty. but it did run fine!

they are strait threw cans race cans , no baffles!
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Do not remap it.....

Yosh box tuning is a joke so don't let the dealer hustle you on that. On Hayabusas, you really don't need any remapping until you get into internal mods.

Busas runs rich up top...the only place where you MAY discover you have a stumble is down low, and transitioning into the midrange... Not likely though..

Save your money... I have dyno tested several busas with full pipes, fully modded air boxes and stock ECMs, no PCIIIUSBs and they still barely nudge 13.2-1 AFR up top.... some did develop a slight lean stumble down low but nothing that you couldn't live with it. Busas are known for the stumble at low throttle imputs around 2k rpms, especially if you mod the air box.
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ALSO, soot in the tail pipe tells you nothing... your pipes will turn black eventually but if its not SOOTY, thats a good thing.. Black sooty pipes are woefully rich.

Ride it and enjoy it.
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I put scorpions slip on my busa.. while at stubbs they richen it up a bit..also k/n air filter... dont really notice any difference.. except it runs cooler.. never gets above the midline on heat gauge. thats all i have noticed...
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mapping without dyno is kind of a get-by. Buy a new chain and stainless front lines for your bike before you crash it. IMO and a few others, after I crashed my bus a few times, I relized the stock front lines are defective, they will give you a false feel then lock the front wheel. Truth, happend to me a co-rider, a board member the other day, and many other people.
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WELL I HAD STUBBS REMAP WHEN THEY DID THE SERVICE BUT IT SEAMS LIKE IT IDLES ROUGH BUT IT RUNS GOOD AND I DO NOT REALY NOTICE ANY DIFF, OTHER THAN IDLE ,ANY WAY ITS GOOD AND I DO NOT KNOW WHAT OTHER MODS I AM DOING RIGHT NOW SO I AM NOT SPENDING $300 ON A PROGRAMER , IF I GET IN TO DRAGS MORE I WILL WORRY ABOUT MODS AND HOURS POWER EXT, ANY WAY I DID GET IT MAPED AT STUBBS THANKS
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