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Old 02-01-2015, 04:15 PM   #1
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What is the law???

Is there a cc limit for a motorcycle endorsement in Texas?
In Ohio you could ride anything under 50cc [2 stroke] and 125 [4 stroke] without needing an endorsement with a standard drivers license.
What is the deal here?
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Old 02-01-2015, 05:21 PM   #2
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By legal definition a moped must meet all three of the following criteria and be on our online Certified Moped List (see link below) prior to registration. If the moped in question meets the criteria, but is not on our list it may be added by following the directions on our website for submitting a Moped Affidavit (see link below). If a two-wheeled vehicle does not meet all three criteria it must be registered as a motorcycle.

cannot attain a speed more than 30 miles per hour
has a piston displacement of 50 cubic centimeters or less and
does not require the operator to shift gears


https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/msb/do...tMopedList.pdf
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Old 02-01-2015, 08:07 PM   #4
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Ok thanks!
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Old 02-02-2015, 12:47 AM   #5
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The only motorized two-wheeler that is okay to ride without an M endorsement is a motor-assisted bicycle. These are like the old Puch mopeds, and must have pedals so they can be ridden manually. These vehicles are restricted to roads with speed limits under 35 mph and don't require license plates or registration.
The old moped test is gone, and anyone who wants to ride any vehicle that requires a license plate, inspection and insurance MUST have an M endorsement, which means they MUST take a motorcycle safety course. The K moped restriction can be voluntarily added to the M endorsement by request. That's so a parent, for instance, can make sure their kid is only legal to ride their 50cc scooter, not a larger motorcycle. The K restriction can be removed later by request. For clarification, call DPS at 800-292-5787.
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Old 02-02-2015, 10:46 AM   #6
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Wait, there's more

Wait...it gets better. If you want a K restriction on your M endorsement, you DO have to take a written test at DPS. I found that out this morning after speaking at length with officials at Austin. So if your 19 year old kid has a 50cc moped to ride around college, they will have to take a basic motorcycle course. The certificate they receive after completing it allows them to ride anything, 2 or 3-wheeled. If you want to make it so they are limited to their moped only, and can't ride anything larger, they will have to take a written test at DPS in addition to taking the riding course. So it's HARDER to get a license that restricts someone to a vehicle that, by all intents and purposes, is EASIER to ride.
There's your TX legislature at work, folks.
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:30 PM   #7
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Ok now i am confused ..
I was at the dps this morning renewing my registration on my truck.
And asked them the same question.
I used the example of the Yamaha Zuma and Honda Ruckus.
I was told no additional endorsement needed...
[For the zuma and ruckus}
So what is true?
They both have less than 50cc do not exceed 30 mph.
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Call DPS at 800-292-5787. They can answer definitively and correct the misinformation the folks gave you
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And....

One other thing: the folks at the license plate office dont know squat about licensing. Different division from DPS
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:44 PM   #10
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Apparently...
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:44 PM   #11
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interesting thread

confused by False's information now
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:46 PM   #12
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So how exactly does this exclude a Zuma or Ruckus?
By legal definition a moped must meet all three of the following criteria and be on our online Certified Moped List (see link below) prior to registration. If the moped in question meets the criteria, but is not on our list it may be added by following the directions on our website for submitting a Moped Affidavit (see link below). If a two-wheeled vehicle does not meet all three criteria it must be registered as a motorcycle.

cannot attain a speed more than 30 miles per hour
has a piston displacement of 50 cubic centimeters or less and
does not require the operator to shift gears
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:46 PM   #13
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You got registration at the DPS and not the tax office?

Cog, why is this on the DPS website still?

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A motorcycle riding test is not required to operate a moped. A Class M with a K restriction allows an individual to ride mopeds, but not motorcycles.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverL...clelicense.htm

When did it change?
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Old 02-02-2015, 01:48 PM   #14
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My mistake it was the annex so is that the tax office?
I am not from here so it is what it is.
But i am almost positive i saw a DPS sign.
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Ok now i am confused ..
I was at the dps this morning renewing my registration on my truck.
And asked them the same question.
I used the example of the Yamaha Zuma and Honda Ruckus.
I was told no additional endorsement needed...
[For the zuma and ruckus}
So what is true?
They both have less than 50cc do not exceed 30 mph.
The people you talked to are incorrect. Right now, to ride ANY 2 wheeled vehicle (other than a motorized bicycle), you are REQUIRED to take a Motorcycle Safety Course and get an M class on your license. You can choose at that point to get a K restriction (Moped) if you want to, but really no sense in it.

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One other thing: the folks at the license plate office dont know squat about licensing. Different division from DPS
Amen to that, although DPS can't seem to make up their minds either.
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Old 02-02-2015, 05:33 PM   #16
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The people you talked to are incorrect. Right now, to ride ANY 2 wheeled vehicle (other than a motorized bicycle), you are REQUIRED to take a Motorcycle Safety Course and get an M class on your license. You can choose at that point to get a K restriction (Moped) if you want to, but really no sense in it.
What about a 15 year old wanting to ride a scooter?
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What about a 15 year old wanting to ride a scooter?
Same thing and he'll need to have his Learner's permit for a car first.
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These folks know

Call the 800 number listed above. The folks there are the Motorcycle Safety Unit. They're the ones that tell the cops and the Driver License offices what the law is. You WILL get the right info there.
Again, welcome to state govt.
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You got registration at the DPS and not the tax office?

Cog, why is this on the DPS website still?



http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/DriverL...clelicense.htm

When did it change?
2009.
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2009.
Was that when they did away with the riding test at the DPS and went mandatory MSF? These laws are really silly.
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