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Old 06-06-2007, 12:45 PM   #21
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i have heard that it will be redesigned from the wheels up. New frame, new engine, new everything. I don't think this pic does it justice, the front is identical. I don't think the new one will be THAT similar to the 99-07's. i've seen a photoshopped pic that looks more realistic, it has a jet turbine in it!!
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i have heard that it will be redesigned from the wheels up. New frame, new engine, new everything. I don't think this pic does it justice, the front is identical. I don't think the new one will be THAT similar to the 99-07's. i've seen a photoshopped pic that looks more realistic, it has a jet turbine in it!!

Lol... I get the point... hence the ?????? under the picture. I wanted to find a picture of one and went looking and stumbled across that but looked way to similar to the current busa's and 1000's. But had to ask to be sure. Thanks though.
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this is the official scoop as far as i know. (confirmed by the sales manager at the suzuki dealer i work at)

no new busa. the new model for 2008 will be released in a few more months. it does have an updated busa engine, but its a naked bike. quite different. alot of people have mixed feelings on it. basicly to put it in perspective...

...think of it as an sv1000s on PCP. ?:laughing6 except it is an inline 4.

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p.s. oops forgot to tell you the name

2008 Suzuki GSR B-KING.

yup. b-king is a funny name if you ask me...they might change the name before release. yes, i spelled GSR correctly, no "x" in there.

the more i think about it though, anything could happen. i would bet a full fairing kit would be available as an accesory, like the SV's have. just have to wait a few more months and see.

oh and they allready have the 600cc version in europe
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the B-king was a concept bike from 2001. I think the new busa will have that motor, the 1350 cc, that was suzuki's way of putting it in a bike to test it.
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the Bking is so named because the concept from 01 included a superchager: B is for Boost.
So i think its retarded that they call this new naked streetfighter the Bking when there aint no boost.
But there should also be a 08 hayabusa coming this summer, probably later in the summer.

*this info comes not from any inside info, but from me piecing together every rumor ive heard.
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The b-king is/was a Bandit on steroids. The new big Bandits have 1250's in them now.
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The b-king is/was a Bandit on steroids. The new big Bandits have 1250's in them now.
if by "steriods" you mean a supercharger, then yes. bandit on steriods.
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The current 'Busa, with a rider on it, is the most aerodynamic motorcycle shape on the road today.

But, even though it's the best, the drag CD is still high and is the same as a Hummer H2. No kidding.
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The current 'Busa, with a rider on it, is the most aerodynamic motorcycle shape on the road today.

But, even though it's the best, the drag CD is still high and is the same as a Hummer H2. No kidding.
and where did you hear this? the coefficient of drag is way less on the busa. i can get 49 miles per gallon on the busa, with that same motor in the hummer there is no way!!!
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and where did you hear this? the coefficient of drag is way less on the busa. i can get 49 miles per gallon on the busa, with that same motor in the hummer there is no way!!!
i'm still at a loss for words... i hope you were joking and don't really think that
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and where did you hear this? the coefficient of drag is way less on the busa. i can get 49 miles per gallon on the busa, with that same motor in the hummer there is no way!!!

Of course, you ARE taking the 2.5 tons weight of the Hummer in to account, right? :BangHead:


Bikes are actually pretty poor in the aero department.
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you have got to be joking!!! cubes make more drag that a sphere. what resembles a sphere more, or even better, a raindrop shape?!? think about how much air the hummer would push with that big box front end versus the curves of a bike. The drag at the rear is worse that pushing air and look how tapered the busa is versus a hummer. Do some research on the "equivelent flat plate area" to understand what i'm talking about. ask any pilot and they can explain it to you. take a few classes in aerodymanics. /rant, ok back to Busa theorizing
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Well, as any airplane designer can tell you, looks don't make for slippery shapes.

Every opening, protusion, anything disturbing the airflow, increases air friction = drag.
A NASCAR stocker with all the wings and open under carriage is pretty slippery, at least to airflow. It's about abour controlling the flow, and sometimes "pretty, slippery" shapes are not the best.

But here are the actual facts, just because I like to know these things...


CD drag

Busa = .27
Corvette = .29
average bullet (not boat tail) = .295
Hummer (H2) = .57
Bonneville Goldenrod = .117
Learjet = .022 (advantage of no ground effect or wheels and suspension)

So they are definately not the same, as someone previously stated.
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you have got to be joking!!! cubes make more drag that a sphere. what resembles a sphere more, or even better, a raindrop shape?!? think about how much air the hummer would push with that big box front end versus the curves of a bike. The drag at the rear is worse that pushing air and look how tapered the busa is versus a hummer. Do some research on the "equivelent flat plate area" to understand what i'm talking about. ask any pilot and they can explain it to you. take a few classes in aerodymanics. /rant, ok back to Busa theorizing
Not joking and not made up. It's both leading and trailing edge aeros that make up the total factor. That's why Sport Touring riders usually notice an increase in gas mileage when they have a passenger on board.

My car has a drag CD of 0.32 for comparison and a Hummer H2 is 0.560

Check out this article on ZX-12 and Busa.
http://www.qsl.net/n5mya/aero.html

Particularly this part about half-way down - "With figures
for both drag and frontal area, it's possible to calculate the coefficient
of drag, which is 0.603 for the 12R and 0.561 for the Hayabusa. The
winner of this wind tunnel shootout is the Suzuki.

Frontal area on the Hayabusa and ZX-12R was measured using Photoshop
images with the pixels set to a scaled size, then counted. The Hayabusa
proves to have a smaller frontal area, but the Cd also shows it has the
superior aeridynamic shape.

It's worth remembering, however, that neither of these Cd figures indicate
a particularly impressive degree of streamlining, since even a typical
passenger car has a Cd of less than 0.60 and some models are lower than
0.30."
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