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Old 12-21-2014, 03:48 PM   #21
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(If we keep count and all agree on the count, then it become a stat. Don't have to be some agency or scientist to run that experiment)
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Old 12-21-2014, 04:29 PM   #22
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Unless you ride staggered with at least two seconds between you and the rider directly in front of you, you don't know what the you're talking about. You just keep riding bar to bar and hope some doesn't fall off a truck causing the rider next to you to turn into you.

Bunch of retards were being escorted to Yankees. They thought it would be wise to ride abreast on 3090. That didn't turn out so well either.
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It's not about macho, chest pounding. But ok. Yea..... Bring me some stats/facts. Then I'll listen. Of course there's always trolls that want to go a different direction. But let's make the thread all about how another person rides and where that's my concern. Again, show me where more people, especially ones that ride often together, get in to worse accidents than solo riders, riders that stagger, or groups that randomly just whip in and out of traffic using all lanes with multiple bikes. Then you'll have a point that's made. Even for the guys that I've known that have gone down that usually ride bar to bar went down by themselves or were the only ones that went down in the group. (and off hand can only think of only two that went down while riding bar to bar) But daily I see solo riders and other formations getting life flight several times a week. Shall we start keeping count?
You can tailgate people all day every day and be fine. Doesn't mean it's terribly wise.
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Well, I don't think we are going to find spacific info and stats on motorcycle wrecks and their formation. I will say that I've combed through three pages of group riding tips (Google it yourself) and each and every site including the MSF site says this.

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Like I said, you may "feel" that it's safer but in fact you're full of .
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Unless you ride staggered with at least two seconds between you and the rider directly in front of you, you don't know what the you're talking about. You just keep riding bar to bar and hope some doesn't fall off a truck causing the rider next to you to turn into you.

Bunch of retards were being escorted to Yankees. They thought it would be wise to ride abreast on 3090. That didn't turn out so well either.
Hey Bevo. Long time. Either way, again, that's one time. Let's now look at the whole picture. And wtf is 3090

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Even when riding like this I leave enough time to stop in front of me. I can't stand tailgating in my bike or my car.

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Well, I don't think we are going to find spacific info and stats on motorcycle wrecks and their formation. I will say that I've combed through three pages of group riding tips (Google it yourself) and each and every site including the MSF site says this.



Like I said, you may "feel" that it's safer but in fact you're full of .
Yet again, you ride your ride and I ride mine and let me be full of . I mean actual bikers let others do as they do and not worry about their decisions.


As far as finding a stat, like I said, start keeping track and see what you see. But yea, no one has probably made that an official stat. But we have enough wrecks here in Houston alone to make a viable study.
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Your statement here is what we've been debating. It's not speculation, it's fact. I would never tell you how to ride but you make dumb statements like you have I'm this thread, rest assured I'll be calling you out. I'd hate to see some noob take your statement as fact and get himself hurt...
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And wtf is 3090
It's the road a lot of riders take to get to Yankees. That's in Carlos, TX. It's also known as the Forest Ride.
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Bar to bar = width of a car. We aren't driving cars and should always look for the out. I hope the riders are ok. It's always tricky when riding in large groups.
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It's not bs, because you can't back it by stats. 5 people get hit by a flying tire. One time that 5 in a group go down in a bar to bar formation. With all the folks that DO ride this way, how many more can you find. Bevo found one. That's about it. So again, yes, it's speculation based on what a noob or rather the average skill set. I stated in one of my posts, that this is done with folks you regularly ride with. Not the FNG.. He hangs out back until everyone is comfortable riding with him.

So again, find me a stat then I'll say you've got a point.


Here's what I've seen from my experience. One, riding two abreast gives a bit more visibility for cars. Two, you don't do 100mph weaving in and out while riding bar to bar (it slows a lot of riders down). Three, more mindful to where other riders are, especially in a "oh " situation (which is where I'll agree with it's for sure not for noobs). Four, I've seen more cages force their way in the middle of a staggered formation, which for the same number of bikes, is twice as long, so allows for less patience. And lastly, there's a lot more communication between the riders while on the road which when there's a group, it's easier to not leave anyone behind. These of course are all MY speculations, but based upon MY experience.

No, riding bar to bar isn't for everyone, but , riding isn't for everyone. I don't do wheelies, but it isn't for everyone.
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It's the road a lot of riders take to get to Yankees. That's in Carlos, TX. It's also known as the Forest Ride.
Oh.. Ok.. Yea.. Never knew the name of the road.
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Bar to bar = width of a car. We aren't driving cars and should always look for the out. I hope the riders are ok. It's always tricky when riding in large groups.
True and true. And very tricky when it is a funeral procession of that size. I was told all were ok and released and only one bike had to get towed.
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It's not bs, because you can't back it by stats. 5 people get hit by a flying tire. One time that 5 in a group go down in a bar to bar formation. With all the folks that DO ride this way, how many more can you find. Bevo found one. That's about it. So again, yes, it's speculation based on what a noob or rather the average skill set. I stated in one of my posts, that this is done with folks you regularly ride with. Not the FNG.. He hangs out back until everyone is comfortable riding with him.

So again, find me a stat then I'll say you've got a point.


Here's what I've seen from my experience. One, riding two abreast gives a bit more visibility for cars. Two, you don't do 100mph weaving in and out while riding bar to bar (it slows a lot of riders down). Three, more mindful to where other riders are, especially in a "oh " situation (which is where I'll agree with it's for sure not for noobs). Four, I've seen more cages force their way in the middle of a staggered formation, which for the same number of bikes, is twice as long, so allows for less patience. And lastly, there's a lot more communication between the riders while on the road which when there's a group, it's easier to not leave anyone behind. These of course are all MY speculations, but based upon MY experience.

No, riding bar to bar isn't for everyone, but , riding isn't for everyone. I don't do wheelies, but it isn't for everyone.
But the main problem with this is that the bikes are usually in a tight group, there's not enough gap front to back, and they're riding Harleys which don't brake worth a .

One rider hits his or her brakes and several go down. I've never seen two bikes come together in a staggered group, and I've been on a few group rides
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Like I said, when I ride like this doesn't mean I ride someone's .. Two, Should keep an eye on bikes in front of the bike in front of you. When I've seen it be a big problem it'll be like a MH ride.. Yea a lot of you ride together a lot, but there's always that guy that's.... well, you know who I'm talking about. , even staggered that guy is up the whole thing. But I ride bar to bar with guys I ride with often.. When I say often, I mean almost daily, in rain or shine.

It was said "where not cars".... bar to bar rides are to be like car rides. Getting a GROUP to a destination. Now if I were riding with you Bevo, and I know how good your skills are, but I KNEW it was going to get spirited with some twists, I'm riding staggered. But if say we're just headed to where ever and we have to use 610, we plan on riding during some f'd up traffic, I'd rather bar to bar.. And if there's a group, as long as no one is in my and I'm not in no one else's .. Man.. This is like trying to explain to a virgin. You just have to do it. Do it often enough with the same folks.

Formation riding period has as many pros as they do cons regardless.
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Like I said, when I ride like this doesn't mean I ride someone's .. Two, Should keep an eye on bikes in front of the bike in front of you. When I've seen it be a big problem it'll be like a MH ride.. Yea a lot of you ride together a lot, but there's always that guy that's.... well, you know who I'm talking about. , even staggered that guy is up the whole thing. But I ride bar to bar with guys I ride with often.. When I say often, I mean almost daily, in rain or shine.

It was said "where not cars".... bar to bar rides are to be like car rides. Getting a GROUP to a destination. Now if I were riding with you Bevo, and I know how good your skills are, but I KNEW it was going to get spirited with some twists, I'm riding staggered. But if say we're just headed to where ever and we have to use 610, we plan on riding during some f'd up traffic, I'd rather bar to bar.. And if there's a group, as long as no one is in my and I'm not in no one else's .. Man.. This is like trying to explain to a virgin. You just have to do it. Do it often enough with the same folks.

Formation riding period has as many pros as they do cons regardless.
And what are you going to do if someone in a cage is texting and drifts right into your lane right next to you, forbid it's an 18 wheeler? I've witnessed all of the above many times.
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Pray the guy on your left sees the same thing you do?

I'll come right out and say I've never done it, but riding bar to bar sounds sketchy as . It sounds like you're giving up alot of maneuverability just so you can ride around in a cool formation.
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I'll come right out and say I've never done it, but riding bar to bar sounds sketchy as . It sounds like you're giving up alot of maneuverability just so you can ride around in a cool formation.
Cool formation is exactly right. Not safe....at all.
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I don't need stats to know riding bar to bar is like riding inches away from a cliff with 120ft drop straight down... with no barrier. Either way, you so much as to violate that space, it's game over.

Have I done it? Yap. Just like the bunch of dangerous things I've done over the years... and occasionally still stupid enough to pull one or two. Difference is, I don't delude myself into thinking it's actually safe practice.
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Space equals options. There are too many variables to pull stats. But if a tire flies over a barrier towards my I wanne be able to duck, weave, or bob any direction. Consulting with Poncherella about his move before I make mine means its too late. Plus, it is illegal, not that many laws apply well to bikes...

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