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Old 12-11-2014, 04:44 PM   #1
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Tire tube in alloy wheel?

Is there anything special that needs to be done in order to run a tube inside of an alloy rim designed to run tubeless? I've never run tubed tires before so I'm not sure what typically goes into that.

I'm asking because I'm looking at putting a tubed dual sport tire on an alloy rim. Yes it's stupid and I probably won't like it, but this is more along the lines of "Hold my beer and watch this..."
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I've never done this either but the concept, like you mentioned, would likely be the same just make sure your tube isn't so large that you interfere with the tire or wheel and not so small that it makes no significance,

im sure someone who has more experience on the matter will chime in momentarily.
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Is there anything special that needs to be done in order to run a tube inside of an alloy rim designed to run tubeless? I've never run tubed tires before so I'm not sure what typically goes into that.

I'm asking because I'm looking at putting a tubed dual sport tire on an alloy rim. Yes it's stupid and I probably won't like it, but this is more along the lines of "Hold my beer and watch this..."
If it is a tubeless wheel, you can run either.
If it is a spoked wheel, non-tubeless, you can run either
if it is a tubed wheel run tubes.

Depending on your application, you can run sport bike tubes, heavy duty tubes, regular tubes, or send your wheels to Woody in Colorado to make them tubeless.

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OH, does not matter if the tire says tubeless or not, you can run a tube in it

I would carry just a 21" tube when out riding far from humans. Why would I do that with a 21" and 18" tires? 21" fits in an 18" wheel, but a 18" tube will NOT fit in a 21" wheel
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To answer your question, as long at the tube is at least close to the proper size and it is not a radial tire you are good to go. No problem with a tube and an alloy wheel.

Here are the rules I live by when it comes to inner tubes.

You can run a tube in a tubeless tire.

Most rims with spokes require a tube (although, there are a few that are tubeless)

There are tires that that are tube type only. (mostly bias ply (non radial) cruiser tires)

We don't recommend tubes in radial tires. There are some tubes made for radial tires. (used them on a supermoto I built a few years ago)

Biggest advantage to tubeless tires, is that they can be patched or plugged (plugged on the side of the road). Also a tubeless tire with a nail in will sometimes leak slowly allowing you to get home or somewhere you can get the tire replaced.

Tires with a tube in them will go flat very quickly once punctured. So with a tube when you have a flat you really have a flat. No limping home. The tube will have to be replaced or patched. Which is hard to do roadside, since the wheel will have to be removed for replacement or patching.
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I'm specifically looking at putting tube-type dual sport tires on rims designed for tubeless tires. I haven't looked at the inside of the rim yet, but I'm guessing the center has a rough cast finish as they were never intended to be used with tubes and I'm a little worried about potential rubbing on the tube. Doesn't seem like it should be an issue once it's inflated as there shouldn't be movement between them, but wondering if I should install a rim strip before putting the tubes/tires on anyway. I guess the other option would be to just sand down the inside of the rim when I pull the tires that are on it.

Rims are 16" on the rear and 18" on the front, and as the tires are fairly standard sizes I don't think it'll be a problem to get the right size tubes, but I also don't know if the inside dimensions of alloy rims are different than spoked rims designed for tubes so didn't know if there might be an issue there.
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What bike are you doing this on? You don't need to install rim strip and you should not have to sand anything down. I have never seen a rim that was so rough that you could not install a tube. My instinct says you are fine to install the tube type tires on your tubeless rims, with an inner tube. If the rear is a 130/90 -16, you will want a 500/550 -16 tube. You can call me (Albert) at the shop with your tire sizes and I can tell you what the tube size will be. I have a chart for the conversion in our parts department.
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I'm specifically looking at putting tube-type dual sport tires on rims designed for tubeless tires. I haven't looked at the inside of the rim yet, but I'm guessing the center has a rough cast finish as they were never intended to be used with tubes and I'm a little worried about potential rubbing on the tube. Doesn't seem like it should be an issue once it's inflated as there shouldn't be movement between them, but wondering if I should install a rim strip before putting the tubes/tires on anyway. I guess the other option would be to just sand down the inside of the rim when I pull the tires that are on it.

Rims are 16" on the rear and 18" on the front, and as the tires are fairly standard sizes I don't think it'll be a problem to get the right size tubes, but I also don't know if the inside dimensions of alloy rims are different than spoked rims designed for tubes so didn't know if there might be an issue there.
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What bike are you doing this on? You don't need to install rim strip and you should not have to sand anything down. I have never seen a rim that was so rough that you could not install a tube. My instinct says you are fine to install the tube type tires on your tubeless rims, with an inner tube. If the rear is a 130/90 -16, you will want a 500/550 -16 tube. You can call me (Albert) at the shop with your tire sizes and I can tell you what the tube size will be. I have a chart for the conversion in our parts department.
They'd be going on my Yamaha Venture. I checked tire load ratings and surprisingly it looks like they should be ok. These aren't tires I want to run long term, due to short wear life and decreased street traction if nothing else, but I want to see how different they feel before I start looking for 17" dual sport tires to throw on this sport bike I'm building.
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They'd be going on my Yamaha Venture. I checked tire load ratings and surprisingly it looks like they should be ok. These aren't tires I want to run long term, due to short wear life and decreased street traction if nothing else, but I want to see how different they feel before I start looking for 17" dual sport tires to throw on this sport bike I'm building.
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eh, people with similar interests in motorcycles tend to gravitate to the same forums. I've lost count of exactly how many I'm a member of, but some of the forums I brows at least once a month include MH, custom fighters, triumph rat, chop cult, adv rider, do the ton, maximum suzuki, and alternative cruisers. Of those, I know at least 2 or 3 guys who are a member of at least 3 others.
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