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Old 11-15-2014, 05:36 PM   #41
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And Brembos and hand-selected rods and pistons for weight and balance and Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP V2 Tires all in a limited edition
You're obviously drinking the honda flavored koolaid so I'll try to stick to specifics.

The brembo calipers are really a moot point, seeing as you don't get a brembo MC to go with it. (Looks like they are taking a page out of suzukis play book )

"Hand selected rods and pistons for weight and balance" sounds good and all, but that nets a 5hp gain over a stock fire blade and who knows if that 5hp was made up in the motor or the exhaust. Regardless you are still making less power than almost every other liter bike out there.

Tires,

"All in a limited edition package" well, only way you will get the resale that a LE affords will be if you do not ride this bike, but why pay $2-3k more than a standard fire blade and not take advantage of it by riding it?


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This is a 8 year old "new" bike that is underpowered, overpriced, ugly as sin, and skimps out on features like traction control and does not give someone the option for ABS (which is standard in some of the more motorcycle-friendly countries of the world). But, you get a polished frame and swing arm like mm
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You're obviously drinking the honda flavored koolaid so I'll try to stick to specifics.

The brembo calipers are really a moot point, seeing as you don't get a brembo MC to go with it. (Looks like they are taking a page out of suzukis play book )

"Hand selected rods and pistons for weight and balance" sounds good and all, but that nets a 5hp gain over a stock fire blade and who knows if that 5hp was made up in the motor or the exhaust. Regardless you are still making less power than almost every other liter bike out there.

Tires,

"All in a limited edition package" well, only way you will get the resale that a LE affords will be if you do not ride this bike, but why pay $2-3k more than a standard fire blade and not take advantage of it by riding it?


Summary:

This is a 8 year old "new" bike that is underpowered, overpriced, ugly as sin, and skimps out on features like traction control and does not give someone the option for ABS (which is standard in some of the more motorcycle-friendly countries of the world). But, you get a polished frame and swing arm like mm
Funny, SupaHawk tracks his SP. Like I posted, you go ahead and put Ohlins on the same year CBR and see if it comes out cheaper. Better yet, get an ABS CBR and but Ohlins on that

I'll just leave this here

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Funny, SupaHawk tracks his SP. Like I posted, you go ahead and put Ohlins on the same year CBR and see if it comes out cheaper. Better yet, get an ABS CBR and but Ohlins on that

I'll just leave this here

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Let me know when they start making one lap races

I notice those lap times are from 2010, which would leave you with the same honda, but a lot of the other manufacturers have been stepping up and coming out with new bikes.

Not saying it's not a good deal for a honda, but when you take into consideration that for what it is (an 8 year old bike) it's overpriced.
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Let me know when they start making one lap races

I notice those lap times are from 2010, which would leave you with the same honda, but a lot of the other manufacturers have been stepping up and coming out with new bikes.

Not saying it's not a good deal for a honda, but when you take into consideration that for what it is (an 8 year old bike) it's overpriced.
See if you can get one for list or less. Stubbs on Telephone had two 2014s. One was sold in a day, the other in two days. Maybe if you had bought a CBR you'd still have a bike

Those were the best lap times. I thought the idea was to cross the finish line first.
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It is an outdated and outperformed design. Just like the 09'-14' R1. That's why Yamaha finally made a (supposed) GP replica for the street at a price that people can afford and why Johnny Rea said "see-ya" when Honda didn't make a newer and better CBR1K. True, Honda announced the RC213V-S at the last show which is a street version of the MotoGP bike but rumors have the price at an elevation that makes the H2R seem affordable.
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See if you can get one for list or less. Stubbs on Telephone had two 2014s. One was sold in a day, the other in two days. Maybe if you had bought a CBR you'd still have a bike

Those were the best lap times. I thought the idea was to cross the finish line first.

If those are lap times why is it labeled "Superpole"?
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It is an outdated and outperformed design. Just like the 09'-14' R1. That's why Yamaha finally made a (supposed) GP replica for the street at a price that people can afford and why Johnny Rea said "see-ya" when Honda didn't make a newer and better CBR1K. True, Honda announced the RC213V-S at the last show which is a street version of the MotoGP bike but rumors have the price at an elevation that makes the H2R seem affordable.
And it doesn't make business sense to invest money in a new design if the economy can't support it. Maybe I'll get lucky in that no one in the Houston area wants a 2015 SP and I'll get a killer deal
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If those are lap times why is it labeled "Superpole"?
That's what a superpole is. Best lap time. The same two test riders rode each bike. Those were their best lap times.
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Superpole for Superbike is a timed event to establish starting positions for motorcycle racers in World Superbike races. A World Superbike weekend consists of: one free practice. two timed qualifying practices.

It's a qualifying lap not race lap according to WSBK
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Funny, SupaHawk tracks his SP. Like I posted, you go ahead and put Ohlins on the same year CBR and see if it comes out cheaper. Better yet, get an ABS CBR and but Ohlins on that

I'll just leave this here

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Isn't that almost 5 years old?
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To the fugly weird angled front and mid fairings on the 08-current. And then Honda has the to keep essentially a 8 year old bike, slap some ohlins on it, and some sweet stickers and put a $17k price tag on it?
still a better look than the new r1
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Since it's all about lap times, how much faster is the SP over regular? Let's compare all the current generation bikes and see how the cbr stacks up.
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so reading through the posts, the honda is heavily under powered again ?
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so reading through the posts, the honda is heavily under powered again ?
Nahhhh.. With the 2015 cbr1000rr sp you get hand picked rods and cylinders that give you a whopping 5hp over the 08-15 cbr1000rr's

All you gotta do is give Honda $17k
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Nahhhh.. With the 2015 cbr1000rr sp you get hand picked rods and cylinders that give you a whopping 5hp over the 08-15 cbr1000rr's

All you gotta do is give Honda $17k
Which puts it at a 183hp compared to how many bikes at the 200hp mark?
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Which puts it at a 183hp compared to how many bikes at the 200hp mark?


183 is probably crank HP which would be about 155ish rear wheel power. There are dyno graphs that show the ZX10 and the BMW putting 170 to 180 to the ground.
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2014 bmw s 1000 rr honda cbr1000rr dyno

Dyno chart for the '14 BMW and Honda(non-SP). If the SP is 5 HP more than it'll just barely break the 150hp mark.
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Chuckster posted one of the SR facts that I was about to. They did a shoot out between the two and the non-special edition Beemer won in almost every category. This is all in the Oct '14 issue.

Cons to the SP were:
"Very little top end power"
"Abrupt fueling"
"Brakes lack power and liner feel"

And then my favorite closing line: "We thought liter bikes were supposed to scare you?"
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