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Old 11-11-2014, 07:57 AM   #1
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The Government to tell Polaris How to make offroad vehicles

Please click on the link and it will send a letter to your Congressman. The CPSC who ever the that is thinks they should be able to tell manufacturers how to design offroad vehicles.

Here they are trying to take some more freedom away from us.

If I don't want to wear a seatbelt in my side by side while offroading, I shouldn't have too.

If I don't want to run street tires on my side by side I shouldn't have too.

This just gets me so fired up.
Polaris put together a nice presentation in this link on what the government wants to do to offroad vehicles.
Please click the link and send the automated letter to your congressman.

http://www.polaris.com/en-us/atv-ran...mail&WT.mc_id=
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:02 AM   #2
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I can't watch the video due to limited bandwidth.

What rules are they wanting to put in specifically? I mean, where's the link to the official political jargon that outlines what designs they want to mandate?
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Old 11-11-2014, 08:04 AM   #3
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I can't watch the video due to limited bandwidth.

What rules are they wanting to put in specifically? I mean, where's the link to the official political jargon that outlines what designs they want to mandate?
They want to mandate seatbelt interlocks on the front row seats.
Vehicle won't go over 15mph without seatbelt on.
No more customizing seats in these vehicles, which a lot of people do.


They want change the way the vehicles steer to more like a on road vehicle
Reduced feel/feedback


They want to lower the chance of a tip over
One way to do this will be to lower the vehicle and make it wider
Lower Ground clearance issue
Will not fit on 50" trails anymore
Who wants a lowered offroad vehicle?
The other way is to put hard street like tires on it
Reduced traction
Increased stopping distance
Easier to spin out


They want to make the door ways smaller to get in an out of the machines
Cannot I not be trusted to close my own door now? or buckle my own net?
I'm not a huge guy @ 6', 200lbs but it's not the easiest thing for me to get in and out of them now.
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So, what're telling me is, they basically want to turn it into a car?
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So, what're telling me is, they basically want to turn it into a car?
That's what i'm getting out of it.

Here is the actual report if anyone is interested. It is 500 pages long...no wonder our government doesn't have any money...
http://www.cpsc.gov/Global/Newsroom/...oposedRule.pdf

The parts I have read of the actual report Irritate the out of me.
They want to take all of the Oversteer (fun) out of the machines and induce understeer.
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ROVs are “consumer products” that can be regulated by the Commission under the
authority of the CPSA. See 15 U.S.C. 2052(a). Section 7 of the CPSA authorizes the
Commission to promulgate a mandatory consumer product safety standard that sets forth certain
performance requirements for a consumer product or that sets forth certain requirements that a
product be marked or accompanied by clear and adequate warnings or instructions.
So, do motorcycles and dirtbikes fall under "consumer products"? If so, I'd be on the CPSA eventually getting around to mandating motorcycles and dirtbikes design changes to make them, in their eyes, safer.

And if they really wanted to reduce fatalities from rider ejection from ROVs they'd mandate 5 point restraint harnesses and make it a mandatory fine of $10,000 if you're caught by any law enforcement not wearing it while operating the ROV... but, they don't (not that they have the power to do that anyway... probably...)

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How incredibly dumb. I've never been in one of those things but always thought they were really neat.
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And if they really wanted to reduce fatalities from rider ejection from ROVs they'd mandate 5 point restraint harnesses and make it a mandatory fine of $10,000 if you're caught by any law enforcement not wearing it while operating the ROV... but, they don't (not that they have the power to do that anyway... probably...)
Ever roll a UTV in neck deep water? In most situations (the riding we do) any seatbelt/harness isn't the best idea.
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Ever roll a UTV in neck deep water? In most situations (the riding we do) any seatbelt/harness isn't the best idea.
I laid mine on it's side saturday and had a of a time getting the seatbelt undone while I was hanging in it. It would have been a bad deal for me if there was water involved.
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I laid mine on it's side saturday and had a of a time getting the seatbelt undone while I was hanging in it. It would have been a bad deal for me if there was water involved.
Exactly. If I'm blasting through a field or fire roads then yes, I will wear it, but that is few and far between.
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Ever roll a UTV in neck deep water? In most situations (the riding we do) any seatbelt/harness isn't the best idea.
Oh, no. I have maybe under 10 hours total in my lifetime spent riding in/on an ROV. Was really just thinking out loud at the time.
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I know a few people that became quadraplegics riding in those. They were seatbelted in but their body was able to partially get out of the vehicle and the roll bars broke their necks. I think they are what they are and people should choose what they want seatbelt or not.

But then again, if I rememeber correctly, 3 wheelers had a similar government response after tons of lawsuits. Maybe that is the driving factor here.
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Hopefully the next move is doing away with the antiquated gas powered motor and going all electric.
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maybe stupid people just shouldn't be buying utv's to begin with.


. I know a one legged who has an RZR1000 and he's still alive and uninjured. I don't know how some people get themselves in some of the situations they do. pure stupidity...but blame in on the manufacturer......its easier apparently.
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They just want us to be safer guys.
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