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Old 11-07-2014, 03:01 PM   #141
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Personally, I'm extremely against drunk driving. That being said I'm more so against "No Refusal" weekends because it's throwing our rights out the window with the bath water.

I also don't understand how "drunk" people have the coordination to ride. , when I'm wasted I can barely string words together that make anything that remotely sounds like grammatically correct sentences.
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No it means an alcohol impaired driver, which is why it says alcohol impaired driver. Because they kill more people than speeding.
You realize person doesn't have to be intoxicated to be alcohol impaired, right?
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You realize person doesn't have to be intoxicated to be alcohol impaired, right?
Its not nice to pick on the tarded..
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You realize person doesn't have to be intoxicated to be alcohol impaired, right?
Intoxicated and impaired are subjective. That is why each state has their own definition, and the CDC has theirs. I am backing up the statistics I said earlier, which someone said were wrong. The CDC link said they are correct.

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Thanks, but I don't think anyone is picking on me?
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Intoxicated and impaired are subjective. That is why each state has their own definition, and the CDC has theirs. I am backing up the statistics I said earlier, which someone said were wrong. The CDC link said they are correct.



Thanks, but I don't think anyone is picking on me?
Intoxicated is not subjective, it is legally defined as having a BAC of 0.08 or higher, which is one of the criteria to be convicted of Driving While Intoxicated. If they can prove significant impairment, you can still be convicted even if your BAC is below 0.08, but I would imagine it would have to be pretty damning evidence to be below BAC and still get that conviction. (I served on a jury for DWI prosecution at one point, no-blow case, and we didn't see evidence for conviction in dash cam video.)

As Fresnal pointed out, Driving Under the Influence would allow prosecution if impaired, regardless of BAC. This is more subjective, as the observer (officer on scene, later a jury) has to determine that you display mental of physical impairment, whether due to alcohol or other substance.

edit: Impairment is evidence of intoxication, but intoxication can be measured by a specific, legally-defined quantity of alcohol in your blood, where impairment is subjective.

http://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/automoti...as-DWI-Defined

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Sec. 49.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Alcohol concentration" means the number of grams of alcohol per:
(A) 210 liters of breath;
(B) 100 milliliters of blood; or
(C) 67 milliliters of urine.
(2) "Intoxicated" means:
(A) not having the normal use of mental or physical faculties by reason of the introduction of alcohol, a controlled substance, a drug, a dangerous drug, a combination of two or more of those substances, or any other substance into the body; or
(B) having an alcohol concentration of 0.08 or more.
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Took too long.

Basically all I was going to add is that you can be convicted of Driving While Intoxicated even if no signs of impairment are present, though as I understand it, signs of impairment are typically used as their PC to request breath test.
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Old 11-07-2014, 04:27 PM   #152
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I don't even drink (not at all) and I'm against no refusal. Basic American fundamentals. "Those who give up freedoms for safety deserve neither". And lately Most Americans deserve nothin. But sure think we are entitled to everything. Freedom in America is an illusion,and getting worse all the time. We ain't even free enough to drive without a seat belt, decide on our own if we want crappy overpriced health ins. And where we want to get it from. What we can and can't do to feel euphoria. The list could fill pages "Home of the greed and land of the slaves"
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Intoxicated is not subjective, it is legally defined as having a BAC of 0.08 or higher, which is one of the criteria to be convicted of Driving While Intoxicated. If they can prove significant impairment, you can still be convicted even if your BAC is below 0.08, but I would imagine it would have to be pretty damning evidence to be below BAC and still get that conviction. (I served on a jury for DWI prosecution at one point, no-blow case, and we didn't see evidence for conviction in dash cam video.)

As Fresnal pointed out, Driving Under the Influence would allow prosecution if impaired, regardless of BAC. This is more subjective, as the observer (officer on scene, later a jury) has to determine that you display mental of physical impairment, whether due to alcohol or other substance.

edit: Impairment is evidence of intoxication, but intoxication can be measured by a specific, legally-defined quantity of alcohol in your blood, where impairment is subjective.

http://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/automoti...as-DWI-Defined

and from Section 49.01 of the Penal Code


Took too long.

Basically all I was going to add is that you can be convicted of Driving While Intoxicated even if no signs of impairment are present, though as I understand it, signs of impairment are typically used as their PC to request breath test.
After a fatality accident they can determine if the car was speeding and if the driver drank alcohol. More fatalities happen when the driver drank alcohol than when the car was speeding. So my statistics were not incorrect. Opinions vs facts.

With that said, the implied and implicit arguments that started this recent discussion were that speeding is more dangerous and harder to control. I find that argument completely illogical.

It was also implied that many drunk driving fatalities were merely a subset of the much larger speeding problem. Saying the CDC's alcohol impaired standard is faulty and therefore speed was more of a problem than alcohol is at best a guess. At worst a gross misdirection, disregarding how alcohol impairment leads to speeding and reckless driving.
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I really don't understand the animosity. Your opinions represent the extreme, not mine.
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The stfu represents the majority. I'm sure of that. On and on and on. Same bs
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Also I'm pretty sure your opinion does not represent the majority
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I just came in here to say I agree with MoreyFan.
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Also I'm pretty sure your opinion does not represent the majority
The opinion that laws do nothing to keep us safe is not the majority. I'm not gonna be mad that you have that opinion though. If you are from Houston and ride you are probably cool with me.
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If the law itself keeps you safe there would be no need to pull this no refusal
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