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Old 11-07-2014, 01:01 PM   #121
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To answer your question honestly, if that were the case, you sure as would not find me speeding.
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To answer your question honestly, if that were the case, you sure as would not find me speeding.
Ahhhh but that one day you zoned out and went 5mph over. Or that one night you had that one extra beer that JUST puts you over the legal limit, regardless of something happening or not. That's the main debate, in a sense.


Also instead of living in fear of arbitrary laws, just fight back and say no. Which in a sense is what people are doing when they fight no refusal laws.
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Ahhhh but that one day you zoned out and went 5mph over. Or that one night you had that one extra beer that JUST puts you over the legal limit, regardless of something happening or not. That's the main debate, in a sense.


Also instead of living in fear of arbitrary laws, just fight back and say no. Which in a sense is what people are doing when they fight no refusal laws.
it is much harder to find yourself drunk driving than to find yourself speeding 5mph over. Drunk driving also leads to way more fatality accident than speeding.
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So laws are either perfect or ineffective? Gun free zones are stupid because they keep you from defending yourself in the face of a law breaker. You are saying that if it was legal to murder children the number of school shootings would stay the same.

You're saying you think the laws stop people from killing children. You have not figured out yet that those who want to kill kids do. You can't see that it happens or you think it would happen more if it was legal? Stupid point you just made. Who really thinks people that want to kills kids don't just because of a law. Wow
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it is much harder to find yourself drunk driving than to find yourself speeding 5mph over. Drunk driving also leads to way more fatality accident than speeding.
Absolutely ridiculous. Especially in the context of an event like in Galveston this weekend. When driving you have something to tell you how fast you are going. When drinking a couple of beers, which is completely legal, you can only GUESS. One beer can take you from .07 to .09 in a matter of minutes. Not to mention that body weight plays a big role in how your body can metabolize alcohol, which is not in direct correlation to BAC.


Also your statistics are incorrect.
Distracted driving is now the most likely to cause accidents and death. Almost 23 TIMES for accidents.
http://safety.trw.com/texting-while-...n-deaths/0710/
http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/file...l#.VF0M5RawXHg

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Absolutely ridiculous. Especially in the context of an event like in Galveston this weekend. When driving you have something to tell you how fast you are going. When drinking a couple of beers, which is completely legal, you can only GUESS. One beer can take you from .07 to .09 in a matter of minutes. Not to mention that body weight plays a big role in how your body can metabolize alcohol, which is not in direct correlation to BAC.


Also your statistics are incorrect.
Distracted driving is now the most likely to cause accidents and death. Almost 23 TIMES for accidents.
http://safety.trw.com/texting-while-...n-deaths/0710/
http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/file...l#.VF0M5RawXHg
I'm with ya, but I don't see your facts working with these types of people.
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Absolutely ridiculous. Especially in the context of an event like in Galveston this weekend. When driving you have something to tell you how fast you are going. When drinking a couple of beers, which is completely legal, you can only GUESS. One beer can take you from .07 to .09 in a matter of minutes. Not to mention that body weight plays a big role in how your body can metabolize alcohol, which is not in direct correlation to BAC.


Also your statistics are incorrect.
Distracted driving is now the most likely to cause accidents and death. Almost 23 TIMES for accidents.
http://safety.trw.com/texting-while-...n-deaths/0710/
http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/file...l#.VF0M5RawXHg
I said drunk driving leads to more than speeding. You said distracted leads more than drunk driving. Where was I wrong?
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I said drunk driving leads to more than speeding. You said distracted leads more than drunk driving. Where was I wrong?
I wasn't referring to that post, but I did mistake a previous poster for you whom said something to the effect. But you are still confusing drunk driving with alcohol related. Which is where you are getting your statistics from. Completely different things. In most of the cases where alcohol was involved regardless of the BAC speed was also apart. But in the media alcohol is always the go to and they call it drunk driving.


Regardless of all the goalpost moving. Drunk driving is bad. Forcing people to follow a rule no one voted on that violates their rights is no bueno and even worse.
http://www.policeone.com/legal/artic...onstitutional/


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I wasn't referring to that post, but I did mistake a previous poster for you whom said something to the effect. But you are still confusing drunk driving with alcohol related. Which is where you are getting your statistics from. Completely different things. In most of the cases where alcohol was involved regardless of the BAC speed was also apart. But in the media alcohol is always the go to and they call it drunk driving.


Regardless of all the goalpost moving. Drunk driving is bad. Forcing people to follow a rule no one voted on that violates their rights is no bueno and even worse.
http://www.policeone.com/legal/artic...onstitutional/


And just for those that like to learn
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23690233
http://digitalcommons.liberty.edu/cg...ealth_fac_pubs (page 3-4/5 for conclusion)

So my statistics weren't incorrect. Thanks for that.
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So my statistics weren't incorrect. Thanks for that.
Yes...they were. Because you keep confusing drunk driving for alcohol was involved accidents. Which they lump together. You are a special kind of goal post moving stubborn. The number of BAC over the legal limit fatalities is less than those caused by speed. The number of fatalities where ANY alcohol was found (pretty standard to check after a fatality) is more(which also usually involve SPEEDING, but they get put under the "drunk driving" column).

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Yes...they were.
Oh OK. Show a quote where my facts were incorrect then?
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Oh OK. Show a quote where my facts were incorrect then?
....I just....Literally they rest of the post you omitted showed it. WTF? Are you retarded?
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....I just....Literally they rest of the post you omitted showed it. WTF? Are you retarded?
I didn't see any counter numbers there so I thought it was a joke. I just saw some meandering supposition.
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I didn't see any counter numbers there so I thought it was a joke. I just saw some meandering supposition.
Oh you mean like literally every post you have made in this thread while ignoring the many sources I have posted up to now? I'm done doing your homework for you.
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The number of BAC over the legal limit fatalities is less than those caused by speed.


In 2012, 10,322 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes

http://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafet...factsheet.html


Motor vehicle crash deaths involving speeding as a contributing factor


2012 10,219

http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/ge...facts#Speeding

Without discussion how dumb it is to think speeding isn't caused by drunk driving, your statement is simply not factual.

Where were the statistics I had wrong again?
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