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Old 11-07-2014, 12:13 AM   #101
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And who figured this is really just a 4th violation? I figured it's clearly a fif violation also
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Because laws make us safe
Not a single law has EVER made you safe.

Laws provide punishment for certain behaviors. Nothing more.
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Not a single law has EVER made you safe.

Laws provide punishment for certain behaviors. Nothing more.
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was there some part of that you needed clarified? I thought it was pretty clear.

Laws do not make you safe. You might FEEL safe, but that is not the same thing.
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was there some part of that you needed clarified? I thought it was pretty clear.

Laws do not make you safe. You might FEEL safe, but that is not the same thing.
It astounding how the sheeple have been led to believe that others can take better care of them then they can. Haha
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was there some part of that you needed clarified? I thought it was pretty clear.

Laws do not make you safe. You might FEEL safe, but that is not the same thing.
Maybe I am a little obtuse on that stance. Please explain, if it isn't too much trouble.
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Maybe I am a little obtuse on that stance. Please explain, if it isn't too much trouble.
Laws provide consequences for certain behaviors. Nothing more. They do not now nor have they ever "kept you safe". How can they? They are nothing but words on a piece of paper which may or may not be enforced.

If laws actually kept you safe, simply passing a law would eliminate bad behavior.
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That's all understandable, but you don't think that those consequences stop people from breaking those laws, therefore providing you safety? In the end, they provide you safety BECAUSE of the consequences. That's just my opinion, but I guess I'm just a "sheep" smh. Thanks for that amazing translation Toe.
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That's all understandable, but you don't think that those consequences stop people from breaking those laws, therefore providing you safety? In the end, they provide you safety BECAUSE of the consequences. That's just my opinion, but I guess I'm just a "sheep" smh. Thanks for that amazing translation Toe.
Our prisons are overflowing with people that would prove your theory wrong. Lol
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Maybe I am a little obtuse on that stance. Please explain, if it isn't too much trouble.
It's the same reason that "Gun Free Zones" haven't stopped school shootings.
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I made same point using someone's stats. They said 1/3 of fatalities were dwi related. Funny how that's against the law. Same with drugs. It's reactive. Nothing more
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The deterrence happens before they commit a crime. When making a decision to drive they will be scared of the consequences if caught. Being caught is much more probable than an accident, so it is a better deterrent.




Not really, it is a classic reason to limit your most basic rights. A fundamental right of free speech is shut down when you want to yell "Fire!" in a theater because it make people feel less safe.

Lol did you even read the wiki you posted earlier?

"The use of 'heavy' punishment has been described as "the least effective and least fair principle of sentencing".[12] A study by a Canadian criminologist Paul Gendreau brought together the results of 50 different studies of the deterrent effect of imprisonment involving over 300,000 offenders. The report said: "None of the analyses found imprisonment reduced recidivism. The recidivism rate for offenders who were imprisoned as opposed to given a community sanction was similar. In addition, longer sentences were not associated with reduced recidivism. In fact the opposite was found. Longer sentences were associated with a 3% increase in recidivism. This finding suggests some support for the theory that prison may serve as a ‘school for crime’ for some offenders""



That being said we don't agree with drunk driving OR having rights slowly suspended in the name of "safety"
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I think the main difference here is that I wouldnt about getting caught for it or say things like "catch me if you can ". Sure, I speed. But if it was determined that doing 5-10mph over were so dangerous that I could lose my license for doing it, I'd never go above the limit.
Playing devils advocate:

This is the same thing as saying "we get to install black boxes on all vehicles. And sometimes we just get to pull you over and check them and you can't refuse. If we find evidence of speeding, you go to jail."

That's the problem the side against it has. Most people don't agree with drunk driving, but the do disagree with cops/courts have this type of authority.
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Lol did you even read the wiki you posted earlier?
Yes I did. The person I was arguing with said don't punish people AT ALL for drunk driving. Only punish them if they hurt someone and THEN make the punishment harsh. The quotes I provided showed that would be a horrible move.
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I made same point using someone's stats. They said 1/3 of fatalities were dwi related. Funny how that's against the law. Same with drugs. It's reactive. Nothing more
So laws are either perfect or ineffective? Gun free zones are stupid because they keep you from defending yourself in the face of a law breaker. You are saying that if it was legal to murder children the number of school shootings would stay the same.
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Playing devils advocate:

This is the same thing as saying "we get to install black boxes on all vehicles. And sometimes we just get to pull you over and check them and you can't refuse. If we find evidence of speeding, you go to jail."

That's the problem the side against it has. Most people don't agree with drunk driving, but the do disagree with cops/courts have this type of authority.
To answer your question honestly, if that were the case, you sure as would not find me speeding.
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