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Old 11-06-2014, 06:59 PM   #81
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Didnt someone say 1/3 of fatalities are DWI related? Tell me again how the law is helping. Drugs are illegal too
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I personally know someone that was convicted of DWI. He had driven drunk many times before he was finally arrested. He had to have a breathalyzer installed in his car for a period of time as part of his probation. He's never had a drink before driving since.

Others continue to drink and drive until they kill themselves or die in prison.

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Whether you want to believe it or not, DWI laws are a deterrent. My son and his friends always have a DD or take a cab when they go out because they are afraid of being arrested. When they were in high school a classmate was busted which taught them a valuable lesson.

Most times they just take a cab round trip
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Deters me. I don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison for having drinks and hitting someone
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Deters me. I don't want to spend the rest of my life in prison for having drinks and hitting someone
So the no refusal part deters you or the punishment after the fact? Life in prison isnt related to no refusal weekends
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Try to be honest here....

It is against the law to speed. whether its 1 mile over or 60 mph over...

You follow that law to a "T"? I don't. Most people don't.

It could be said that we are endangering ourselves as well as others.

If you were speeding and hit a car and killed someone (no DWI) your fine/penalty would be " x ".

If you were NOT speeding but under the influence and did the same thing? In some cases you could get the death penalty.

Both cases you killed someone (not on purpose) , you could be put to death, the other just a fine or some jail time. (or even less in many cases)

So, by you're thinking, you should have your license taken away for speeding?
I think the main difference here is that I wouldnt about getting caught for it or say things like "catch me if you can ". Sure, I speed. But if it was determined that doing 5-10mph over were so dangerous that I could lose my license for doing it, I'd never go above the limit.
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I seem to recall a story about a member here being forced to submit to a blood draw because he stumbled when he got off his boat and onto the dock. Hadn't consumed a drop of alcohol, but had to play the part of the dancing monkey. The part is that refusing a field sobriety test results in a mandatory one year license suspension. Refuse field sobriety, test below the limit on a blood draw, and you still lose your license. There's more than a slight problem with that.
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DWI needs to be DUI.

DUI means Driving Under the Influence. If you have any detectable alcohol, it is automatically a crime. Sounds harsh, but at least the message would be consistent.

DWI is Driving While Intoxicated. It is not a crime to drink and then drive. It is a crime to drive while intoxicated. And legal intoxication is both a subjective and objective standard at the same time. It is complete and causes a few side effects:

1) Innocent people get charged with DWI
2) It encourages drunk driving.

If it was DUI, everybody would know you drink and you don't drive, end of discussion. But under DWI, people who think they are still ok think they can get home on their own. And then people who really are ok but whose body has hit some arbitrary BAC number are guilty too.
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How many drunk motorcycle accidents this year have killed an innocent victim.

Stop comparing the two like they are the same.
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As the victim of a drunk driver I personally think that anyone that gets drunk and then drives/rides should have their nailed to a wooden chair.
That said, I'm against any authority that decides that they can randomly suspend a person's rights because "there's an event this weekend".
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As the victim of a drunk driver I personally think that anyone that gets drunk and then drives/rides should have their nailed to a wooden chair.
That said, I'm against any authority that decides that they can randomly suspend a person's rights because "there's an event this weekend".
Not a lawyer but pretty sure they are still following the law and no rights are being suspended.
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The 4th amendment protects us from unreasonable searches and seizures...

So what would a reasonable search be?
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As the victim of a drunk driver I personally think that anyone that gets drunk and then drives/rides should have their nailed to a wooden chair.
That said, I'm against any authority that decides that they can randomly suspend a person's rights because "there's an event this weekend".
Randomly. Like einie meinie minie mo? Or is it more of a spin the bottle affair?
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I think he means the dates and times
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DWI needs to be DUI.

DUI means Driving Under the Influence. If you have any detectable alcohol, it is automatically a crime. Sounds harsh, but at least the message would be consistent.

DWI is Driving While Intoxicated. It is not a crime to drink and then drive. It is a crime to drive while intoxicated. And legal intoxication is both a subjective and objective standard at the same time. It is complete and causes a few side effects:

1) Innocent people get charged with DWI
2) It encourages drunk driving.

If it was DUI, everybody would know you drink and you don't drive, end of discussion. But under DWI, people who think they are still ok think they can get home on their own. And then people who really are ok but whose body has hit some arbitrary BAC number are guilty too.


so why you always gotta come around with sound logic and reason? you're totally killing the "idiocracy" vibe of this thread.

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I think he means the dates and times

Point being, obviously drunk driving is a HUGE issue in Texas. Since that's the case then either A) it should be no refusal all of the time, provided that it does not infringe upon ones rights, or B) not have a selective "no refusal weekend" because an event is happening.
To prove my point, I guarantee that in any major city, i.e. Dallas or Houston, on any given weekend there's just as many drunk drivers on the road than what there will be in Galveston this weekend.
IF there's a REAL reason to suspend right to refusal for LSR, then it should be for all of the time as well, don't you think? Once again, providing that it does not violate ones rights.
In my view when a municipality selectively changes the rules because of a specific event it lends credence to the perspective that it's less of a concern over public safety and more of a money making opportunity.
If there was that much of a "concern" why not have it that way all of the time?

It also opens the lid to Pandoras box; we suspend right of refusal for LSR, but don't during Kappa, or Spring Break, or Jimmyjoebob's annual BBQ or whatever.....
Do you see my point?

In closing I also think punishment for DWI/DUI should be more harsh, ESPECIALLY for repeat offenders.
If I want to drink to the point where it's likely to impair my abilities, than I'll do it at home, or I'll have a designated driver.
If I'm not man enough to control my alcohol intake than I should be punished harshly for it, period. With freedom comes responsibility.
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I previously explained "no-refusal" here:

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