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Old 11-06-2014, 04:29 PM   #41
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Its total bs. Evidence that it's total bs is the no refusal part. First it was like two weekends. Now it's all the time. It's the gov playing the let me just put the head in game. Idiots that are for it are sheep. They think this bs offers them safety from others. It doesn't. It's a reduction in our rights and called safer. It not at all.
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I have no love for drinking and driving. However, i dont like how this can just happen. saying "no refusal" to me would be like telling someone they cannot plead the fifth in court, or hey were gonna search your house wether you like it or not because someone else had a house like this and it had drugs in it...
I think it's more like them telling you that everyone in the general vicinity can smell the pot around your house so you can't tell them not to come in. These guys aren't out here on the no-refusal weekend to try and pop Joe Shmoe who had 2 beers too many. They're looking for that biker dude who was at LSR all day and had about 12 beers too many.

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You beat yourself out of your dollar by breaking the law...
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Old 11-06-2014, 04:34 PM   #43
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I think it's more like them telling you that everyone in the general vicinity can smell the pot around your house so you can't tell them not to come in.

You beat yourself out of your dollar by breaking the law...
wouldnt they still need a warrant?
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wouldnt they still need a warrant?
I have no idea, I'm neither a lawyer nor a weed-grower. But if they can smell the pot from outside the house... It's safe to suspect that there's some illegal activity going on inside. My point is that it's not like they'd knock down your door unless you gave them some reasonable level of suspicion.
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wouldnt they still need a warrant?
They always need a warrant for taking blood samples. The issue is that they can get it almost instantaneously instead of waiting for it to go through the normal paperwork delay. The only difference on no refusal times is the time involved between the traffic stop and blood testing. So in theory you could refuse the breathalyzer. But there isn't much of a benefit to refusing on a "no refusal" period. I'm not a lawyer, but that's the impression that I get.
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Man that's lame. I hate Galveston, I got an MIP for alcohol when I was 18 at mardi gras. are money hungry. It's the same reason people have to pay to park on the seawall.. Galveston
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I have no idea, I'm neither a lawyer nor a weed-grower. But if they can smell the pot from outside the house... It's safe to suspect that there's some illegal activity going on inside. My point is that it's not like they'd knock down your door unless you gave them some reasonable level of suspicion.
Maybe they are burning incense that smells like weed? They aren't hurting anyone, even if they were smoking weed. The govt SHOULD STAY OUT.


Also, I think most (if not all) drug laws need to be repealed. People want to hurt their bodies with drugs? Let em. They are going to do it anyhow. Then, we lock them up in prison and we all pay for it! Its bullshit!
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Its total bs. Evidence that it's total bs is the no refusal part. First it was like two weekends. Now it's all the time. It's the gov playing the let me just put the head in game. Idiots that are for it are sheep. They think this bs offers them safety from others. It doesn't. It's a reduction in our rights and called safer. It not at all.
How would you propose to stop drunk drivers who are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths each year? The lack of safety isn't hype, and it is happening on public roads, so you have to do something.
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They always need a warrant for taking blood samples. The issue is that they can get it almost instantaneously instead of waiting for it to go through the normal paperwork delay. The only difference on no refusal times is the time involved between the traffic stop and blood testing. So in theory you could refuse the breathalyzer. But there isn't much of a benefit to refusing on a "no refusal" period. I'm not a lawyer, but that's the impression that I get.
If they can instantaneously get a warrant and arrest me, then I should be able to "instantaneously" bond out of jail That takes hours!
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How would you propose to stop drunk drivers who are responsible for tens of thousands of deaths each year? The lack of safety isn't hype, and it is happening on public roads, so you have to do something.

Why? Says who?
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Maybe they are burning incense that smells like weed? They aren't hurting anyone, even if they were smoking weed. The govt SHOULD STAY OUT.


Also, I think most (if not all) drug laws need to be repealed. People want to hurt their bodies with drugs? Let em. They are going to do it anyhow. Then, we lock them up in prison and we all pay for it! Its bullshit!
Totally agree with you there. I'm for the legalization of all drugs, even hard drugs. With stipulations of course, like legal consumption age, no driving under the influence, etc.

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It's all cool Repth. You will most likely die a slow.painfull death witb cancer or some . No.need to worry about the drunks anymore.
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I wonder if the law does help / deter. I'm not sure if I like laws turning my rights into some type of grey zone but I can't help but think of David Barajas. If maybe that law had effected that one person maybe his kids would still be alive.i dunno. Of course my reaction would be the same as his...blow your away after killing my family.
Regardless, laws a law, vote it out , follow it, or eat cuz nothing else you can do about it.
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Why? Says who?
So you think nothing should be done about public safety. That is a bold take. About a third of all driving fatalities are drunk driving related.
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So you think nothing should be done about public safety. That is a bold take. About a third of all driving fatalities are drunk driving related.
As much as I would hate to see innocent people and kids die because some idiot is drunk and cannot control their vehicle, I'll add my opinion that we have too many people on this earth. Mainly, because we try to save people from themselves.


It's a fine line, I agree. But at what point do you stop making laws? If I had it my way, we would repeal a bunch, but then, who knows at what point we should stop taking them away?

Someone wants to be dumb and drink and drive? Let them. They hurt someone because of it? Throw the book at em. No victim, no crime, therefore no criminal, and no criminal to pay for a hotel with bars on it with our taxes.
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As much as I would hate to see innocent people and kids die because some idiot is drunk and cannot control their vehicle, I'll add my opinion that we have too many people on this earth. Mainly, because we try to save people from themselves.


It's a fine line, I agree. But at what point do you stop making laws? If I had it my way, we would repeal a bunch, but then, who knows at what point we should stop taking them away?

Someone wants to be dumb and drink and drive? Let them. They hurt someone because of it? Throw the book at em. No victim, no crime, therefore no criminal, and no criminal to pay for a hotel with bars on it with our taxes.
Holy , thank our lawmakers do not agree with you. I would hate to live in a country where driving drunk was legal. I'd make sure I was always home by 9, no matter what. No amount of throwing the book at someone is going to bring back people they slaughtered. I actually think that the tolerance for BAC is too low but so is the penalty for being drunk off your behind the wheel. Some poor SOB goes and has 3 beers and gets a DUI but meanwhile 3rd time offenders get some more fines for getting pulled over with BAC of .24 instead of losing their license for years. And if they're caught driving without their license in the time that it's suspended, once again the penalty is not harsh enough. It should be required jailtime until their license is reinstated. I'm not about flogging the guys who maybe had one beer too many, but I'm all about punishing those who religiously drink way too much before driving (in hopes that they are less inclined to do it in the future).
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Holy , thank our lawmakers do not agree with you. I would hate to live in a country where driving drunk was legal. I'd make sure I was always home by 9, no matter what. No amount of throwing the book at someone is going to bring back people they slaughtered. I actually think that the tolerance for BAC is too low but so is the penalty for being drunk off your behind the wheel. Some poor SOB goes and has 3 beers and gets a DUI but meanwhile 3rd time offenders get some more fines for getting pulled over with BAC of .24 instead of losing their license for years. And if they're caught driving without their license in the time that it's suspended, once again the penalty is not harsh enough. It should be required jailtime until their license is reinstated. I'm not about flogging the guys who maybe had one beer too many, but I'm all about punishing those who religiously drink way too much before driving (in hopes that they are less inclined to do it in the future).

There is the flaw IMO.

People are going to do (or not) whether its law or not.
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Laws make the Govt money. (more-so than us safe)
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