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Old 10-29-2014, 04:11 PM   #41
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It seemed unsafe to me to be passed with a 40mph speed difference between the motorcycle and my car. It has nothing to do with the "hey, that guy is cutting in line!" mentality and everything to do with the fact that a motorcycle just zipped by with inches of clearance between us. It's the same reason I get offended when people are 6 inches off my bumper on the freeway.
Maybe I can help.

Being tailgated is a "move, !" situation. Guy behind you is bascally bullying you, borderline vehicular assault.
Guy riding a few inches to your side is nowhere near that mentality. IT is more like a "pardon me, 'scuse me, pardon me, coming through".

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Old 10-29-2014, 04:12 PM   #42
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he can't find proof because it there is no law against it
SHUT IT! dont make me ban.....oh, wait, wrong site
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really they finally gave you the button? And you can reach it by yourself or do you need a stool?

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How many riders would be willing to trade a helmet law for a splitting law? Fat guys on HD's that can't split would be against it and commuters would be all over it. Then we could settle it Braveheart style at Discovery Green.
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19. Can I ride my motorcycle between cars in traffic?


The law doesn't specifically say one way or the other, but there are several statutes that may come to bear depending upon the circumstances, i.e. right of way, obligation to drive in a single lane, signal intention, passing with safety, etc. Motorcycles are considered equally as cars regarding traffic laws, so the single lane, signal intention and other statutes in the Transportation Code could come in to play.

The main statute that makes "lane splitting" illegal is Transportation Code Section 545.060, entitled "Driving on Roadway Laned for Traffic."

##An operator on a roadway divided into two or more clearly marked lanes for traffic: ##shall drive as nearly practical entirely within a single lane; and
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Don't traffic regulations define safe limits of operation? Infringing upon regulations is, by its very nature, operating unsafely. I think your post negates a lot of your comments in this thread.
Technically, you are right. It is why I brought up the example of getting a 45 in 30 on Bellaire at 7:30am Saturday, when there was hardly any traffic across the 6-lane boulevard. Yes, I violated the law, but did my infringement carry the same degree of menace to the general public as if I did 45 in the same 30mph zone at 5:30pm on a weekday when Bellaire is jam packed full of commuter traffic?

If a cop wishes to throw the book at me... speeding is speeding. That's why he was there early Sat. morning ringing the cash register on unsuspecting idiots like me.

Lane splitting, by its very nature, can only be performed in heavy traffic. So... whenever you lane split over the same stretch of road, you are doing so under similar traffic conditions and taking very similar risk, and presenting very similar risk (or annoyance) factor to other motorists.

If I can somehow lane split in the wee hours in the morning with next to no traffic, I'll do it!

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I would more easily split lanes in Italy than Houston on two wheels. Just saying.
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I do it at 5-10mph when traffic is gridlock and I'm alone. On a group ride I don't because I don't want to influence the group.
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Maybe I can help.

Being tailgated is a "move, !" situation. Guy behind you is bascally bullying you, borderline vehicular assault.
Guy riding a few inches to your side is nowhere near that mentality. IT is more like a "pardon me, 'scuse me, pardon me, coming through".

Would you agree?
while I am ok with the 'pardon me, 'scuse me' intent, everyone makes mistakes and if someone is 6 inches off my door and makes one of these mistakes into my mirror, door, etc. I'll be mighty .

I usually only split in the HOV lane not on open highways but to each their own. What really sucks though is that as someone who doesn't split, I get passed by a couple splitters on 59 between Shepherd and the spur, then I have to start dodging cars because they expect me to split so they start crowding a bit.
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Maybe I can help.

Being tailgated is a "move, !" situation. Guy behind you is bascally bullying you, borderline vehicular assault.
Guy riding a few inches to your side is nowhere near that mentality. IT is more like a "pardon me, 'scuse me, pardon me, coming through".

Would you agree?
I don't agree. I genuinely feel like most of the times that I have someone drive way too closely behind me, they just want to get up the road as fast as possible. They're not trying to bully me into moving, they just have no concept of how much room you need to leave between cars. And splitters that blow by me at a dead stop also have no concept of this. Splitters that take their time and "excuse me, pardon me" by are totally fine, as I eluded to in my original message. A more appropriate analogy is a guy who runs through a crowded area as fast as he can yelling "excuse me, pardon me", barely missing people as he goes. Imagine how many bad looks he gets. But now imagine him taking his time to maneuver through people in a more acceptable, controlled manner. Nobody would bat an eyelash.
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I don't do it. You see too many drivers jumping lanes in slow traffic. Don't want to make it on Youtube.

No law specifically stating lane-splitting is illegal but they can get you on other offenses.


From the DPS website:

"19. Can I ride my motorcycle between cars in traffic?

The law doesn't specifically say one way or the other, but there are several statutes that may come to bear depending upon the circumstances, i.e. right of way, obligation to drive in a single lane, signal intention, passing with safety, etc. Motorcycles are considered equally as cars regarding traffic laws, so the single lane, signal intention and other statutes in the Transportation Code could come in to play.

The main statute that makes "lane splitting" illegal is Transportation Code Section 545.060, entitled "Driving on Roadway Laned for Traffic."
An operator on a roadway divided into two or more clearly marked lanes for traffic:
shall drive as nearly practical entirely within a single lane; and
may not move from the lane unless that movement can be made safely."

https://www.txdps.state.tx.us/msb/msbfaqs.htm
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Lane splitting is a suicide mission in houston. I have lights a siren and the power of then pen and would rather ride the shoulders anyday than split a lane.
I've seen a bike get destroyed doing this by a car that pulled over onto the shoulder quickly.

I prefer the comfort between two cars that cannot just hope over to the next lane. I only do this at basically a standstill and just a enough speed to hopefully be ok if something goes wrong.
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Put me down on the splitting on HOV (not technically splitting since there's only one lane) but not mainlanes group. There are too many variables to prepare for with multiple lanes of traffic and people switching lanes. On the HOV, everyone is expecting to stay in a line and isn't looking to make quick moves to get ahead. I can focus on just one car at a time as I pass.

Regarding speed, I only bother doing it when they're backed up and I can get by quickly going less than 30-40mph. If they're going 20+ I don't bother. I always want to be able to pass the car as quickly as possible so some nutjob doesn't have time to swerve and hit me. I also use the right side for this because most people don't check their passenger mirror often so I'm past them before they even notice I was there. On the mainlanes, I stay on the left/center-left for the opposite reason because I do want to be seen.
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I would more easily split lanes in Italy than Houston on two wheels. Just saying.
Of course because it is the norm there. When in Rome, do as.... I recently rode in downtown Saigon and splitting would not even begin to describe it. More like a chaotic free for all cluster of driving with the only unwritten rule being the heavier and bigger vehicle got the right of way most of the time by shear intimidation.

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One of the concerns mentioned here is cars jumping lanes quickly in slow traffic... This is exactly the reason I only split when both lanes (mine and the one immediately next to me) are stopped. If neither is moving, there's no where for anyone to try and jump. As soon as traffic starts moving again, I fall in behind a car in one lane or another.
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One of the concerns mentioned here is cars jumping lanes quickly in slow traffic....
Yup. That's why I don't do it. I see it when I have to work at the office off of 59S and dairyashford. On my way home in the afternoon I see cars jumping like frogs on crack between lanes... so, when I do ride to the office, I don't split on the way home.
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Of course because it is the norm there. When in Rome, do as.... I recently rode in downtown Saigon and splitting would not even begin to describe it. More like a chaotic free for all cluster of driving with the only unwritten rule being the heavier and bigger vehicle got the right of way most of the time by shear intimidation.

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Perfectly describes the traffic in Hyderabad and Manila as well. Crazy crazy. They don't "lane split" because nobody ever stays in a lane.
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I've seen a bike get destroyed doing this by a car that pulled over onto the shoulder quickly.

I prefer the comfort between two cars that cannot just hope over to the next lane. I only do this at basically a standstill and just a enough speed to hopefully be ok if something goes wrong.
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One of the concerns mentioned here is cars jumping lanes quickly in slow traffic... This is exactly the reason I only split when both lanes (mine and the one immediately next to me) are stopped. If neither is moving, there's no where for anyone to try and jump. As soon as traffic starts moving again, I fall in behind a car in one lane or another.
these guys get it...responsible splitting. except I continue to split until the cars start moving at 10-15 mph.
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