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Old 05-24-2007, 09:34 AM   #1
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Clutchless up shifting, Need Your Advise Guys.

Clutchless up shifting, How do you guys feel about this, Its been a debate with me and a friend of mine, I have never heard of this before but i'm a new rider so i figuered i would ask you guys about it, here are some of the links he sent me in regards to the clutchless up shifting, Any advise would be helpfull thanks.


http://forums.sportrider.com/70/6241...nny/index.html

http://sport-motorcycles.suite101.co...ift_techniques

http://www.sportrider.com/ride/RSS/1...ss_upshifting/

http://www.motorvike.com/StreetBikeClasses.htm

http://www.bigccracing.com/shop/prod...1&source=thumb

http://www.bikerenews.com/Last_Page/011806.html

8. Smooth gear changes minimise wheelspin, so be gentle with the throttle when shifting. Clutchless up-changes, dipping the throttle as you change and bringing the power back in progressively are best. On down-changes, blipping the throttle (raising revs briefly before the clutch is let out) to match engine revs with wheel speed stops rear lock-ups.

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Once we began circulating the track at elevated speeds, a typical R1-thing happened. When we came out of a second-gear left hand corner we noticed that while we were heading left the front end was aimed right. The abundant power is so smooth and seamless we didn't notice the front end lift. When we grabbed third gear after a seamless, clutchless up-shift and the front end returned to the tarmac, we felt only a minor flutter of the handlebars.

Upshifting

The transmission in your F has a shift drum and shift forks. There are six DETENT positions in which the shift drum can reside. Of course, there are an infinite number of positions where it can reside. The six DETENT positions are 1st, neutral, 2nd... 5th gear. When you shift between 2-3 or 3-4 or 4-5, there is a requirement that the gear you are coming FROM disengage BEFORE the gear you are going TO is entered. If it didn't, you'd be in two gears at once and your transmission would "explode", shedding gear teeth like my Samoyed sheds fur at this time of year. So... for a brief period, the gearbox is not in any gear. This is NOT the same as NEUTRAL. These are called FALSE Neutrals. If you find one... coast along in it for a while, hit a few bumps or blip the throttle and the odds are, you'll suddenly find yourself in one gear or the other on either side. Car gearboxes force you to physically move the lever though the neutral position, REAL neutral. There is no detent there, due largely to the fact that the gearbox functions without a shift drum.

It does no harm whatsoever to the transmission or clutch to shift (well) without the clutch. But if you screw up... it can be a bad thing, no worse than grinding the gears in any gearbox, however.
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Old 05-24-2007, 09:39 AM   #2
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I use this method 80% of the time.... always have, sometimes do it in the car as well.
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Old 05-24-2007, 09:44 AM   #3
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i do it a lot. but i always clutch in to downshift.
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Not reccommended for newbie, you could damaged your shift forks or gear or even hurt yourself in the process. They design a lever for a reason, use it.
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Old 05-24-2007, 09:47 AM   #5
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Not reccommended for newbie, you could damaged your shift forks or gear or even hurt yourself in the process. They design a lever for a reason, use it.
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If your a beginner, dont try to force it. Just become accustomed to your bike then alot of other techniques will become second nature.
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i use the clutch for 1st and 2nd gear only most of the time, all other times no clutch is used. this "smooth" technique comes with experience and knowledge which you will gain in time.
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Old 05-24-2007, 09:57 AM   #7
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I clutchless upshift probably 80% of the time and clutchless downshift around 30%.

It's easy just let off the throttle and shift up.
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Old 05-24-2007, 10:03 AM   #8
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ima clutcher.. all the time.. but on my dirt bikes i only used the clutch to take off the line. my street bike, i think i use it more bc i just pull it in so much stunting its habit and its not like pulling it in to shift a gear is going to wear out my clutch, im clutching it up 100-200 times everytime i get on the bike.
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+1 - "i use the clutch for 1st and 2nd gear only most of the time, all other times no clutch is used. this "smooth" technique comes with experience and knowledge which you will gain in time."

This was debated hotly last month.
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clutchless upshift about 40% of the time. I practice blipping when I downshift so as to be second nature now.
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I echo all that's been said.

I typically don't use the clutch when upshifting, but if you haven't been riding long I would advise against it in order to avoid mechanical damage.
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Old 05-24-2007, 10:50 AM   #14
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thanks for all the advise guys. Yall have been a big help.
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Old 05-24-2007, 12:54 PM   #15
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What is a clutch?
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